I don't like Biden either, but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election. If we had a sane voting system, voting third party might be worth it, but as it stands, no one but you knows your favorite candidate exists and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

Not voting isn't going to stop the genocide in Gaza. The US will continue to funnel them arms no matter which candidate wins this November. Trump practically campaigns on how much he hates the Jews and he's publicly told Israel to "finish up their war". He'll also make life a living hell for anyone who isn't a straight cisgender male back here at home.

A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of them or their policies, it's a statement that you like their policies more than the other guy's, and "sticking it to liberals" and "refusing to support genocide" (that's not what voting for Biden is doing, by the way -- a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide and a vote for neither is an endorsement of both) is not more important than keeping the furthest right politician America has ever seen out of office.

How incredibly privileged do you have to be to see an entire national election as what will happen in the Middle East and ignore Trump's campaign promises to wipe transgender Americans off the map, and further, to not realize that the same thing will happen in the Middle East regardless of which candidate wins?

I hate Biden as much as every other leftist here. But I'll still vote for him because Trump is worse. If there's a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

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[–] funky_rodent@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago

Yo you kids can't behave, I will look this now, it's Easter and I don't want to have this burning here

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Also, trump appointed 3 supreme court justices, who will be there FOR LIFE.

[–] catharso@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

~~Assassinate~~ 'em, you say?

No, just kidding.

I'm just someone watching from Europe, getting a little concerned 😔

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

Same here. Watching from Europe, and going "hmm, I think we had a few very bloody revolutions to solve these kinds of problems"

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I hope the closer we get to the election the miss obvious this becomes to everybody.

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 months ago

Liberals would rather blame leftists than actually fight fascism.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Do I hate the two party system? Yes. Do I hate the fact that centrists like Joe Liberman who literally killed universal healthcare in the US are revered and embraced by Biden's party? Yes. Do I hate the fact that Democrats are always dismissive of liberal ideas and often act like complete jackasses and can't admit that when Obama was running there were a ton of Clinton supporters that didn't vote for Obama in a blatant act of pure hypocrisy? Yes.

Do I fucking hate Nazis and Fascist? Fuck yes.

Hence why even if I don't like the Democrat running, I'll vote for them and honestly, Biden isn't too sucktastic. Except for kyrsten sinema, she can fuck right the hell off forever.

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I hate how so many critics talk about they when criticising a political party. Get involved. Run for local office, become a part of the inside of the party. How can Democrats ever represent younger leftists, when so few of the younger leftists let their voice be heard outside of anonymous forums?

[–] abracaDavid@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah lemme get like $2,000,000 so I can go run for office.

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Campaigns don’t tend to be self-funded.

[–] Shadywack@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I really don't see the point in voting when the executive and legislative branches are bought and paid for with candidates I don't approve of.

Bernie Sanders' constituents are incredibly fortunate. The candidates available for my districts oppose socialized medicine, returning stock market regulations (e.g. outlawing stock buybacks), and the 32 hour workweek mandate.

When I have someone I can vote for, then I'll vote. Otherwise fuck it, waste of my time.

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 0 points 6 months ago

And we get Trump again because of idiots like you. THAT is why you vote: to prevent a fucking fascist from getting elected.

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 0 points 6 months ago

Buddy, friend, gamer. It’s march. Can you bring this out in six months? There is no reason to fill everyone’s feed up like this and sow political division on the left over seven months before it’s relevant.

Plus, the pressure looks like it’s working, so a vote for Biden might be a lot more palatable then. A lot of your work might get done automatically

[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Anyone who doesn’t vote immediately loses the right to complain for the next 4 years.

Don’t like it? Should’ve done your duty and put in a vote.

Fuck you, fence sitters

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ok I'll be voting 3rd party.

[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ok, I’ll blame you as well if Trump wins

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'll blame Biden for refusing to make material compromises with leftists and progressives in order to get the votes he needs.

[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I’ll blame you when the nazis legislate me and my brethren out of existence. You could have helped to stop this, but instead you decided to sit by and throw a tantrum like a fucking child.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

You could help stop this by fighting Biden instead of fighting me.

[–] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This will be the most important election in the history of the united states. You have two choices, Dictator, or Democracy. A no vote is a vote AGAINST Democracy.

[–] Mikesomething@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I hear this every single election.

Dems - "democracy is at stake! THIS IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN YOUR LIFE"

Me - *Holds nose and votes for the lesser evil"

Dems - "thanks guys that was close" Proceeds to sit around with a thumb in their collective asshole for 4 years.

...

Dems - "Democracy is at stake! REALLY guys - THIS is the most important election ever!"

It's fucking exhausting. If the Dems really wanted people to come out and vote, they would spend less time begging for our votes, and more time representing our collective interests.

[–] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I hear this every single election.

Because as we move into the future with a larger population and worse environmental destruction, the stakes become greater.
Because we've been on the verge of losing our democracy for a couple decades now. I'm almost 50, we've been on the verge since the presidency was taken from Al Gore. It was not this way before that in my lifetime.

You think one election is going to take a nation on the brink to being in safe harbors? This is a battle for democracy that occurs over multiple elections, why is that so hard to understand? You can only repeat what your friends say?

[–] Thief_of_Crows@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why dont you pressure Biden to stop genociding people then? I have a hard and fast rule about genocide, sorry but present day me doesn't make the rules about who I vote for.

[–] Vent@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Do you believe Trump/Republicans will decrease, maintain, or increase the current genocide levels?

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide

Demanding people vote for genocide as a lesser of two evils is where we are at now.

[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Either vote for harm reduction or watch as the former president implements a final solution.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How is genocide harm reduction? Is Trump gonna genocide harder or something?

[–] GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 months ago

Is Trump gonna genocide harder or something?

I mean.. yes... yes he would definitely support escalation of the killings. He has stated he thinks they aren't going far enough so trump would 100% just encourage full genocide openly

Biden is at least turning on this issue, though obviously it's way too little and too late.. but he is at least reachable and is now saying there needs to be a ceasefire.

Is biden doing enough? Fuck no.

Should he step down and let other dems run? I think yes... I would feel so much better if we had a candidate who hasn't been supporting this for as long as biden has.

But would trump be worse on this issues? Absolutely things can get so much worse..

[–] CabbageRelish@midwest.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I’m voting for the people I most like on the ballot. Isn’t that what you’re supposed to do?

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

No, not in FPTP. You vote for the candidate who you least disagree with out of those with a reasonable chance of victory, or you waste your vote.

[–] CabbageRelish@midwest.social 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

So… by voting my conscience I don’t get a vote? I was literally brought up with the idea that if enough people pressure one of the parties one way or the other they might start embracing your ideas. And that was supposed to be how this worked.

[–] subignition@fedia.io 1 points 6 months ago

The time to advance your ideas is everywhen except the presidential election, basically. At this timing, voting your conscience will really only be contributing to the spoiler effect.

[–] BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Fucking hell, the liberals are using trans people as an excuse to throw the palestinians under the bus.

Look, if you're going to disregard the palestinians' human rights, then there will come a time when you'll do the same for trans people, and they are amart enough to know that.

The queer people's greatest strength is solidarity so spoiler alert, this won't really fly, how about you use your vote as a bargaining chip instead of sTrATegIcALly voting no questions asked?

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 0 points 6 months ago

See what happens to the Palestinians when Trump gets elected you lazy piece of shit. I'm done with you self-serving assholes.