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The Israeli military says its Northern Command has approved operational plans for war with Lebanon.

Israel is ready for an “all-out war” in Lebanon and has plans approved for an offensive targeting Hezbollah, officials have said.

Israel and Hezbollah have been engaged in border fighting since shortly after the start of the war on Gaza, following the October 7 attacks on Israel. The confrontation is increasingly expanding, with both sides saying they are ready to go to war.

More than 400 people have been killed in Lebanon, including journalists and paramedics, over the past eight months, with 25 deaths in Israel. At least 90,000 people have been displaced in Lebanon, and more than 60,000 have been forced from their homes in northern Israel.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 59 points 4 months ago (35 children)

That's because Netanyahu needs a forever war to keep his dictatorship. That's always what this has been about.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Forever wars only work against enemies that can't really do anything back.

Israel is about to enter the 'find out' stage.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 30 points 4 months ago (12 children)

They will end up finding out that the US will absolutely have their back despite the genocide of Palestinians so that the US can keep their middle east ally. You know, like that one asshole who always starts fights because their big friends help out when they start getting their ass kicked.

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[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I'm curious what you mean. Hasn't Hezbollah been targeting Israel for decades? There's already been the South Lebanon Conflict and the 2008 Lebanon War.

What will they find out that they didn't already know?

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think if they do a full-blown invasion, they’ll find out that Hezbollah (and quite possibly the regular Lebanese military) is a much bigger, experienced, and sophisticated enemy than Hamas. Also, an invasion of Lebanon could easily attract third parties (like Syria-based militias or even other countries).

If it’s a limited, restrained operation to create a buffer zone, it might not lead to escalation. There’s apparently a peace deal on the table that would accomplish just that but Hezbollah wants Israel to agree to the “ceasefire for hostages” deal in Gaza first.

But let’s not forget that Netanyahu is going to jail on corruption charges as soon as he isn’t prime minister. He’s alienated everyone except the extremist parties on the right so, ultimately, they’ll be able to control policy just by threatening to leave the fragile coalition government. So, I don’t know if I’d bet on a limited, restrained operation.

[–] solo@slrpnk.net 4 points 4 months ago

I think if they do a full-blown invasion, they’ll find out that Hezbollah (and quite possibly the regular Lebanese military) is a much bigger, experienced, and sophisticated (...)

Oh they know well. Israel has invaded Lebanon twice (at least?) and both times they failed in a humiliating way.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The situation is not static at all.

Hezbollah has significantly improved upon their capabilities during that time period. Also, as a corollary to this, weapons technology in general has significantly advanced in a form that brings various capabilities to state actors that didn't use to have the tech or financial base to support them.

Guidance systems, avionics, electronics, and drones are changing the face of warfare in a way that removes a lot of the tech advantages rich nations had over poorer nations. But, the richer nations (And this isn't just about Israel, but most of the western states) are sticking their heads in their sand because their weapons manufactures are used to being used more for laundering tax payer money to the right people then for making great weapons. The main drones for the US cost between 30-40 million EACH!

Furthermore, Israel is going through all of the copium that settler colonialist societies go through when their martial superiority is starting to come into question. They clutch harder to their beliefs that make them feel secure. Israel withdrew in 2006 and declared themselves victors when it was obvious that they were not victors at all. Now, that is all that Israel remembers about 2006. That they won. That is what they truly believe.

There are a lot of delusions that are about to break here. That is why I say that if they try with Hezbollah, that it will be a 'Find Out' stage.

EDIT: Also, people tend to use the wrong measurement for what they consider to make an army strong. One of the most important factors is a willingness for a military to take causalities. There are very few armies stronger than Hezbollah by this measurement, whereas Israel has been very weak on this front since the early 2000's. Having a conscript army will do that.

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[–] johker216@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You need to understand that most people's understanding of the conflicts in the Middle East started on October 7, 2023.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hasn’t Hezbollah been targeting Israel for decades?

It's just cute how much you left out, there, as if that's the only thing that's been going on.

"You see they hit us then we hit them. Then we hit them and they hit us, man. It's like a war, ya know what I'm sayin'" -- Ice-T

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago

The discussion was specifically about what Hezbollah would do to Israel in a new war and not how fault should be parcelled out for their long-running conflict.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Who exactly are they going to fight that's going to make them find out? The only powers in the region that are threat to them are Turkey, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia. None of which they're going to fight.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

LOL.

Yeah, that's why the north is evacuated and Hezbollah is striking the north of Israel with impunity. How's that Iron Dome working in the North?

Secondly, Hezbollah is probably, pound for pound, the most competent military force in the region right now. You want to discount that to feel safe, well, that's part of the fuck around and find out. Thirdly, Iran will have this as an Casus Belli to enter the conflict, and the PMU's in Iraq have already stated they will invade in the event of an invasion of Lebanon.

The only powers in the region that are threat to them are Turkey, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia.

This is what makes it clear that you are not a serious person in the area. Saudi Arabia couldn't beat the poorest nation in the world with American planes, Columbian mercenaries, American refueling, and American intelligence all while starving the nation in an attempted genocide.

Saudia Arabia as a regional military power? That's a bad joke. I can't believe you wrote that with a straight face. They were literally beat by teenagers in flip flops.

[–] solo@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago

That’s always what this has been about.

I would add Zionist settler colonialism in the mix

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