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[–] Enkrod 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Upvoting the selection of truly impactful comic books. Guess my collection is missing Saga. Thank you for that.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

god i'm glad some part of that long rant landed for someone. it's so weird how on the internet effort, care, and thought are all punished

[–] Enkrod 3 points 1 day ago

Hmm, honestly, I feel like that isn't necessarily the case and often connected to the audience, especially if such a comment is offtopic.

Personally I have felt that on Lemmy effort and care are very much appreciated. But there is a breaking point in regards to the insightfulness and the length of the comment. Like there needs to be at least X amount of new and interestimg information per paragraph.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Hey its me the internet, SHAME ON YOU for writing such a thoughtful comment.

You know, it isn't easy being me, I somehow have access to all the information on earth and yet I leave all the smart kind people in the world with sad surprised pikachu expressions on their faces!

What to do!

Then someone like you comes along with the nerve to write a cool comment and like bam all of a sudden the whole dead internet theory of corporate control over the media seems like a bunch of powerful people giving up their power to control the commons in an a hilarious strategic miscalculation that assumed killing the lights wouldn't make the person with the crank up flashlight the most popular person in the room.

How DARE you. Whatever you do don't keep writing really interesting and cool comments like this and definitely don't link to more interesting sources and articles people can read if they find it interesting.

STOP IT... no I told you to STOP DOING THAT

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 hours ago
  • Comic Tropes
  • [Bakuman, a manga about the manga industry](https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/chapters/bakuman
  • The Steranko History of Comics is to me the capstone of the Golden Age of Comics. Not that it was contemporary to it, it came out towards the end or after the silver age of comics, but I think that retrospective look back at the Golden Age is what makes it so important to understanding the golden age. Contemporaries in the Golden Age couldn't have known what the totality of their influences on the world would be. They were just part of a movement, and a lot of them were just there to get access to the stew pot. As the silver age closed, though, it's very easy to imagine someone looking back past the silver age into the golden age and really see it for what it was, and to understand "This was actually something really influential, and another moment like this will probably never come again"

And then a lot of the rest of what I know comes from listening to people talk at conventions (mainly recordings of those). There's a lot of oral history to comic books as they exist as a result of the relationship Comic books have with propaganda and street art. A lot of comic book purists believe that a comic book should not arrive to the reader with any instructions on how to interpret it. The reader must take it in and consider it, and once they are co-located with someone involved with the making of the comic, or someone who's gotten the information word of mouth, learn how to interpret the propaganda from verbal confirmation. Oda, the mangaka of One Piece, for many years was very cage-y about how to interpret his work and would always answer any questions from readers with "I can't just tell you everything, you have to figure it out" but lately has been a bit more direct and urgent about that his work is a monumental piece of fiction intended to communicate that liberation movements need the following:

  1. Laughter
  2. A willingness to do violence
  3. Queers
  4. A sense of found family
  5. An unwillingness by leadership to define themselves as heroes because calling yourself a hero makes you a self mythologizing autocrat
[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 18 hours ago

i haven't forgot about you. i just got home. i'll send some shit tomorrow

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago

you i like. i'm moving house today, but after that i'll try to put together a list of resources for learning comic books, graphic novels, and street art. unfortunately most of my understanding comes from word of mouth and physical books and articles, so a lot of what i just shared is just shit i've picked up through the years. but you can definitely start with comic tropes on youtube. that guy makes comics and comic history really approachable. personally i think he's at his best when he's covering a silver age artist or an artist from somewhere other than NYC