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This should be the sticking point to invoke the 25th. Officials need to be loud and make a stink about how Trump can’t tell fact from clear fiction and therefore cannot perform the duties of the office. Make the people of America see the image on the news everyday and make those on his side say out loud if they think it’s fake or real. Half of the masses will never be convinced that he lacks the morality to lead until they’re already in his camps. This is the earliest clear as day moment to act on that which cannot be held to subjective scrutiny or partisanship.

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[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Aw, cute wall of text. Thanks for providing nothing of value. Now do the swastika.

I know the context. It's still a lie. People with that cross on their chest don't give a shit about its actual history. Dog whistles involve barely plausible deniability, like the distant origins of nazi symbols.

Enjoy defending fascists though.

[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world -5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not defending fascism, I'm talking about symbolism and how it's perverted and misconstrued. How about you supply evidence for YOUR argument instead of just pointing fingers and calling people names like a child?

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Oh dear, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. Exactly what names did I call you?

Fascist? I didn't call you that. I called him that. And he is, regardless of the cross on his chest. I know he is, on account of the everything.

You're just the one defending him, by pretending that there's a defensible reason for him to have a neo-nazi dog whistle on his chest. There isn't. Just like there is no defensible reason for Musk to do two nazi salutes on stage.

They're fascists blatantly doing fascist things, and pretending otherwise is defending fascism.

[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just because a group of degenerates (neo-nazi's) want to hijack a symbol, does not mean they get to do so.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That's true. But when a neo-nazi fascist puts one on his chest, we don't have any reason to pretend it's anything but a dog whistle. He's the one doing the hijacking.

[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world -5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not defending him at all. I'm talking about a symbol that people don't seem to know anything about other than some vague associate with nazism that no one can seem to actually provide evidence for.

Here, before the evidence and scholars, let's play a quick game. Let's give the good faith. Let's say he's just super enthusiastic about the crusades.

Why? Why is a modern day conservative so obsessed with a brutal, genocidal war between christians and muslims? Is it the aesthetic? Is it the armchair analysis? Or is it because he's a fucking fascist who loves the idea of a primitive war of brutality against muslims?

What if we treated the enemy the way they treated us?” he asks. “Would that not be an incentive for the other side to reconsider their barbarism? Hey, Al Qaeda: if you surrender, we might spare your life. If you do not, we will rip your arms off and feed them to hogs.”

> He then writes: “We are just fighting with one hand behind our back – and the enemy knows it … If our warriors are forced to follow rules arbitrarily and asked to sacrifice more lives so that international tribunals feel better about themselves, aren’t we just better off winning our wars according to our own rules?!”

When used in combination, the Jerusalem cross and "Deus Vult" are "an invocation of the claim that crusader violence and its atrocities (including the massacre of civilians) was legitimate," said Tom Hill, president and executive director of the Center for Peace Diplomacy, a nonpartisan organization working to end and prevent wars.

> "It is this bloody, militant intent that comes first when seeking to understand its current usage as a symbol for those pledging their allegiances in contemporary politics — and this is why it has been appropriated by the so-called ‘alt right,’" Hill said.

> White supremacists using Crusaders' crosses and other medieval imagery on their homemade shields say the time period is an ideal of a white Europe. But medieval scholars say the white supremacists are wrong and the scholars are fighting back.