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She’s already broken barriers, and now Kamala Harris could shatter several more after President Joe Biden abruptly ended his reelection bid and endorsed her.

Biden announced Sunday that he was stepping aside after a disastrous debate performance catalyzed fears that the 81-year-old was too frail for a second term. 

Harris is the first woman, Black person or person of South Asian descent to serve as vice president. If she becomes the Democratic nominee and defeats Republican candidate Donald Trump in November, she would be the first woman to serve as president. 

Biden said Sunday that choosing Harris as his running mate was “the best decision I’ve made” and endorsed her as his successor.

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

So it looks like you’re talking about this

While it does make that claim, you might also note phrases like:

That still leaves most companies in our dataset lopsided, with White people holding a disproportionate share of high-paying jobs at S&P 100 companies

Many laid off in the pandemic’s early days were people of color, who were rehired when demand bounced back.

Retirements also surged that year, and older workers are more likely to be White.

Note also they define “people of color” as “black, Asian, Hispanic, or other”

So the article that makes that claim basically says non-whites had been laid off and were re-hired. Pre-dominantly white people were able to retire early, and people of color are still way underrepresented in positions of authority

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Are you claiming that this data does not show preferential hiring of POC over white people?

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I am just reading beyond the headline.

I see that they describe this as a one time reaction to the recovery after Covid and is hiring back the mainly non-whites who had been laid off. Most importantly they included lots of data about how non-whites are still way underrepresented relative to the actual population after this one time event.

So, no it does not. It appears to be showing a preference for employees who had been previously laid off

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is just silly, the hiring represents 1/10 or so of the white to their representation there is no way slightly higher rates of non-whites being laid off would account for this unless they laid off exclusively non white people or specifically chose white people to hire back. To believe this you would have to show some crazy statistics on the front end of who they laid off.

Why isnt the much more logical thing that happened that they have DEI programs that puts a higher demand on hiring non-white applicants?

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There are lots of possible things that happened and they did not have data for any of them.

  • Why jump right to all those companies conspiring to have DEI off the rails … for what end? What motivation would there be? Why are they all doing it?
  • even if it were DEI, the report did give supporting data that it was inadequate. Do you really believe all the Fortune 100 companies conspired to go off the rails with DEI to hire almost all non-white, yet still be underrepresented in non-white employees? They have such power to compel all these big companies yet such incompetence to not succeed?
  • The best we have is the reasons stated in the article, even without data - mostly a one time event hiring back people who had been laid off, who were predominantly non-white.

These inconsistencies also make clear this data was cherry-picked to provoke a reaction. Try again.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So long story short, do you believe that there was no preferential higher of non-white applicants over black applicants? This is a simple yes or no answer.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Long story short, do you believe there are fewer non-white employees than would be expected given the population of candidates? This is a simple yes or no answer?

Critical thinking bonus round:

  1. do you believe all the fortune 100 companies colluded to replace whites with non-whites?
  2. Do you believe DEI functions at all 100 biggest companies have power to compel almost all hires be non-white?
  3. Do you believe the prior round of layoffs was likely racially balanced?
[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

do you believe there are fewer non-white employees than would be expected given the population of candidates?

No.

do you believe all the fortune 100 companies colluded to replace whites with non-whites?

Colluded implies wrong doing, but giving preferential treatment to minorities due to their race has been a semi-legal thing since I was a kid (and maybe longer), so no not colluded, did out in the open.

Do you believe DEI functions at all 100 biggest companies have power to compel almost all hires be non-white?

Yes

Do you believe the prior round of layoffs was likely racially balanced?

I dont know, but not radically or it would have been reported over and over and over and over and over.

Now you answer my question.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I certainly hope there was preferential hiring for under-represented demographics. That’s the whole point. However it’s naive to jump right into the deep end where you’re going.

DEI efforts can make some differences in set of employees to hire and which are chosen, but they’ve never had the overwhelming power you’re ascribing. That’s not realistic, given the size of the hiring

The data was similar across almost all of the Fortune 100 in the same period. The odds of that are extremely remote, unless there is collusion or some other factor.

Why is it easier to believe DEI efforts have such overwhelming power to control virtually all hires and collude across all the biggest companies than to believe the explanation given in the article? Prior layoffs of low level employees were predominantly non-white, so hiring them back was too

If there is such an issue, you’d see it in more time periods. Do you?

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So long story short you are in favor of racist hiring policies as long as it harm particular groups that you want to harm?

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So long story short, are you in favor of racist hiring, and continued racist advantage for people of your favorite skin color, regardless of less opportunity for those who look different from you? Are you in favor of keeping hiring pure, white people on top, and everyone else can “pull themselves up by their bootstraps”?

If you look back at that article, you could see the data that even after this period, non-whites were under-represented, especially in positions of authority.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No, I am in favor of hiring people that are best for the job. This is a yes or no answer; are you in favor of hiring people based on their skin color if it advances an agenda such as higher representation of a race in a particular area? Would you pick a less qualified minority of a more qualified white person?

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The argument is that’s already been done, unless you believe white people are inherently smarter and more capable.

Assuming all humans have similar potential and similar opportunity, you’d expect over a large population such as the employee pool of the 100 largest companies, the mix of demographics will be similar to the population at large. Why isn’t it?

While I’m sure there are a few hires purely for quota, giving opportunity to those who would otherwise be denied is a good thing. I’ve always worked in very diverse companies and have found people equally capable regardless of what demographic group you try to stick them in.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Why isn’t it?

Because different demographics have varying levels of different qualities. Does every demographic commit crime and attend college at the same levels? No, and for whatever reason they dont there would be a similar reason for why demographics are different at work.

Are you unable to answer the questions I give? I say its a yes or no answer, and there is neither of those words in your answer.