this post was submitted on 21 Jul 2024
671 points (96.7% liked)
Political Memes
5203 readers
2655 users here now
Welcome to politcal memes!
These are our rules:
Be civil
Jokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community. Sexism, racism and bigotry are not allowed. Good faith argumentation only. No posts discouraging people to vote or shaming people for voting.
No misinformation
Don’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.
Posts should be memes
Random pictures do not qualify as memes. Relevance to politics is required.
No bots, spam or self-promotion
Follow instance rules, ask for your bot to be allowed on this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
He did not sexually assault Monica Lewinsky. It was a consensual relationship. He was accused of lying about it in a deposition. That was the alleged crime.
To be clear about what happened - she did say (maybe about ten years ago, post me- too), that she realizes Clinton took advantage of her. That doesn't change her opinion overall that it was consensual, but she recognizes the power imbalance played a role in what she did.
That's the part being pointed out by the other commenter.
She was absolutely taken advantage of. At best, the whole thing is unseemly. But there is a very large gap between "sexually assaulted" and being taken advantage of.
That's the debatable part. Given the absolutely massive power imbalance, can it be consensual?
From my perspective, I think it's important to take Ms. Lewinsky's opinion and consider it to not be sexual assault, she's had about 30 years of reflection on it and where she landed is consensual.
But I can understand, given the power imbalance and how that has been used historically to force others into a sexual relationship, how it can be viewed as sexual assault.
That's a hard one to delineate though. Is any sexual contact with the President of the United States consensual? Can the President only get a reach around from Xi Jinping?
Oh my! I just had a disturbing mental image.
Brother what do you think they do behind those closed doors at executive summits. It sure as hell ain't anything regarding policy.
The easy answer is the person he was already in a relationship with before becoming President.
We aren't talking about just any citizen though, she was literally working for him. This is no different than a CEO and a secretary. The power imbalance is... Blatant.
She says it was consensual. So I go with that, because even decades later it's her view on the situation. That said, any President (just like any CEO, etc) having any sort of sexual relations with people they literally employ is a sexual predator. So yes, Bill Clinton is a sexual predator. I won't go so far as to say she was sexually assaulted though, because she doesn't consider it to be so.
I would agree except for the fact that she actively pursued him. He didn't just pick her out of a crowd. She made it a point to be near him. He should have known better than to go there but she initiated the whole thing.
Expert manipulators and sexual predators are very good at using power imbalances to make people think they want this and pursue it, when i fact they are manipulated into making advances.
Now whether that was the case is debatable, but there is no blanket "she wanted it" check to hand out here.
Y'all do know that dismissing Ms. Lewinsky's opinion and suggesting that her feelings about something she did and judged for herself might be wrong is rather patronizing, don't you? She is the only person in this universe who can decide that. She has done so. End of.
Lololol whatever you need to tell yourself.
Most powerful man in America is getting head from a 22 year old in office who had come out afterwards and said she was pressured and it was unwanted but your going to go to bat.
But grab her by the pussy is just locker room talk 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
She never said that you lying right winger, but sure go on about how trump is innocent
You've invented quite a story any me 🤣
It's like the one you made up for Lewinsky, only true.