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[–] Lumidaub 49 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

There is a lot of highly critical discourse around the Last Samurai. Not current, because it's not a current movie, but saying that it's "okay" suggests ~~you~~ they haven't looked for criticism.

Also, weary.

Edit: clarity.

Edit2: I have since been made aware by @SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world of a different perspective that makes a lot more sense, see comments below.

[–] ka1ikasan@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yup, Last Samourai is 22 years old. Back then a lot of social issues have not been widely discussed.

[–] Lumidaub 27 points 1 month ago (4 children)

And even then, there were people who were uncomfortable with a narrative of some heroic white dude coming in to save the exotic natives. Just wasn't a very popular opinion.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Save the natives?

Doesn’t the movie end with them all dying?

[–] Lumidaub 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's presumably the beginnings of an awareness of why that narrative is problematic. And also of the importance of historic accuracy. His role in the narrative was that of a saviour though. (Also, he survives.)

[–] Melonpoly@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

It was the main reason why I never ended up watching that film.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah but it was the other side of the spectrum. It weren’t right wing racist who were mad but SJWs who didn’t see the movie and don’t understand that the word Samurai in the title is plural not singular.

[–] Lumidaub 8 points 1 month ago

Oh you're saying that this is about right wingers who think the Last Samurai is okay (while Ass Creed isn't).

... That... makes sense. Huh. I hadn't seen it that way.

[–] Flemmy@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Lol as good as the production looked even as a white dude I kind of cracked up at Tommy in that role.

The Last Shogun appears to have the same thing going but idk I havn't watched it yet.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

I'm not sure if The Last Shogun is something different, but if you're referring to the Shogun series recently adapted by FX, I can say having watched it that it features a main character who fancies himself a superior white savior, but ultimately leads to realizing how completely out of his depth he is.

But it's like the Memoir of a Geisha problem: since the original work was written by a white dude anyways, how much value does it have as a cultural work?

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I thought so too in the beginning. But the English character in that series is more of a... Useful tool that gets used. He has no agency and he never realises it throughout the entire series.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 10 points 1 month ago

I recall quite a bit of people taking issue with it. Goes back further with carradine in kung fu. Plenty didn't but same with assasins creed.

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In 2003? What are you talking about? The only thing we weren't talking about by then was trans-rights.

The uncomfortable racism was noted.

[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think it's wary, not weary. Could go either way, I guess.