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AOC says many Democrats who want Biden to drop out don't want Harris on the ticket either
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I've been screaming this at the top of my lungs to the people on lemmy this entire time. Now AOC is losing her shit warning everyone that if this happens, SCOTUS is going to be up to some dirty tricks and you won't even be able to get a candidate on the ballots fully.
You guys happy with yourselves now? I hope palestine, your "ideal candidate", and all the other garbage that doesn't affect us in the slightest was worth losing the democracy over.
People being subjected to genocide is not garbage, what in the fuck
Palestinians being subjected to Genocide is not a subject that many Americans care about. The middle east has constantly been a hell-hole of people getting unjustly murdered. We're numb to it now.
And do you think that's going to get BETTER, or WORSE when Trump wins, because of your excessive whinging?
Bidens not losing because Democrats are infighting, the GOP are literally shooting at each other and just put up a vp that made his initial career off bad mouthing trump and his base, no one gives a shit about party cohesion. Biden is losing because he's a bad unpopular candidate, he has the worst approval rating since Carter and is the oldest candidate ever to run. Stop blaming the mostly impotent left and start blaming the establishment that got us into this mess in the first place.
Seriously this. Whenever we get close to elections, people who care about any issues at all are blamed for having any criticism at all of the dems while the shortcomings of the party and the huge, avoidable, deeply embarrassing mistakes that powerful people within it make go completely uncommented on.
I think you can make this same point without trivializing peoples suffering. You are talking about human beings. It is not “excessive whinging” for people to be less numb than you are, even if you disagree with them about whether or not that makes Biden a bad candidate. Like those are real people.
I'm a misanthrope, I don't give two shits about humanity. Half of them would see you dead without batting an eye. Only thing that makes us special is that we were the most violent ape. We're STILL violent apes.
That is.. irrelevant? Misanthropy doesn’t get you out of the basic obligation to be decent to other people, including people who live in faraway places. Your rhetoric here is gross and racist. I commented because I thought you might not realize that. My bad.
You may want to learn what racism is buddy. Because this ain't it. Nationalism maybe? Sure. But going around calling everything racist because it involves people not of euro-ethnic origin, isn't how racism works. I don't think Palestinian people are inferior to anyone in any way - but I get it. You gotta play that victim card. It's probably won you a lot of arguments at the playground.
So, my comment about misanthropy was more to let you know that you were using an appeal to emotion in your argument. An appeal to emotion isn't a valid argument for something. Especially when the person you're arguing with, doesn't give much of a damn for people's emotions.
This is basic Trolly Car problem level shit my man. Don't pull the switch, someone dies that you know. Pull the switch, and 5 people die that you don't know.
I choose to let the person die that I know, to save the 5 others. What you're doing, is letting the 5 die because the person you know is close to you. That's all. Despite my misanthropy, the benefit for humanity lay more with making sure we don't lose America to a much larger problem.
I'd gladly turn a blind eye to Palestine temporarily to make sure we don't lose Palestine, Ukraine, Taiwan, and America on the larger stage. And you better bet that I'll be putting up a stink for the Palestinian people just as soon as Trump is NOT elected.
You lack foresight.
Just lead with this and people will better judge the opinions that follow.
The US’s treatment of Palestine affects the entire world, but it’s not fully Biden’s fault and Trump would help Russia take over Ukraine.
It doesn’t excuse Biden for not doing enough to help Palestine though but I don’t think it’s enough of a reason to not vote Biden either.
Who's us? Are you a white American, by chance?
You know some Palestinians are American citizens, right? Like they have family getting bombed with the taxes they pay. It's totally fair for that to be their number one concern, dude
I mean, I can tell you lack compassion - that's your own issue - but you should at least care about not looking like an ignorant, callous, shitty human
You might call it callous, I call it reality. The least evil comes out of NOT letting Trump back in office. But since you can't see past your own nose, you'll end up causing your own destruction.
US. As in Americans. (And of COURSE it's lemmy, so let's pull the race card!) You're going to lose your ability to vote here soon when your shortsightedness allows a candidate back into office that has already said he'd love for Palestine to be a glass crater.
The most good also comes out of making sure Biden has the best chances at winning. That means sucking up certain realities until the election is done. We're here because a bunch of people just like you, wouldn't just suck it up and vote for Hillary but protest-voted. At LEAST learn from past mistakes.
You're just assuming literally everything you're saying about me. You realize that, right? I don't disagree with any of that stuff you're saying (besides all the disrespectful, hateful shit obviously)
Anyway, you're just a typical racist American, like most of us. You're not special and you should try to do better.
Alright, now do another round where you fling stuff at me that you wish you could say to someone irl. lol. Just let it all out
Nobody made any assumptions about you. And nobody mentioned race except you. Projecting much? You literally started the first reply with "Are you a white American, by chance?"
Racism doesn't mean "anything that involves someone not American or Western European". It means thinking you're better than someone based on their race; which I don't, and clearly you've shown with your literal opening move trying to establish what race you can classify me as, so you can attempt to look down upon me for being said race.
For fucks sake, this line of defense may have won you a lot of playground arguments, but it doesn't work in the real world. Acting like a victim, pulling the race card when it was mentioned absolutely nowhere, the tired old line "Do better" that every one of you regurgitate. Get some new material, holy crap. You're just as bad as the brainwashed Q followers raiding pizza places.
Don't go crying on the internet when Trump wins because you wanted someone more progressive and you end up with even more rights stripped away. And for the love of god...if you're trying to establish someone else's race in an argument YOU'RE THE RACIST.
That was great! Hope it felt good
Now, notice, I literally said we and try to relax a bit
I'm American. Of course I'm racist. It's kind of something you have to try not to be around here. I'm not really trying to offend you. I'm just a brown American with my own thoughts and opinions on white Americans.
Here's a question for you, because I appreciate that you're responding. Would you consider an enslaved African woman living in the US in the early 1800s racist for having negative views of white Americans? What about a Chinese man that just spent tons of money to move to the US in the late 1800s but is denied equal rights and is exploited due to his race, would he be racist for his views of white Americans? Would you say Black Americans living in the early 1900s were racist (during peak KKK membership/terrorism)?
When was it, if not OK, at least understandable for nonwhites to be "racist" and when did it become unacceptable/stop making sense?
Finally, no, it's not racist to talk about race. It's actually completely fine. It's only taboo in certain circles, like sex and politics. Acknowledging our racial background and how it makes us who we are is an important part of understanding and accepting ourselves. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being white, just like there's nothing wrong with being a man and no one here's saying there is
What democracy?
Hey, don't blame the people trying to fix the mistake that was putting all their eggs in one 81-year old's basket
Even Obama himself doesn't think Biden can win this. No career lasts forever.
The USSC has total editorial control over the US constitution and zero accountability. If they had it on their mind to mess with the election they can do so regardless of what happens here.