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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Most people don't like Biden. More than don't like Harris. There was some early idea that Harris was uniquely disliked that people keep propagating for some reason. She's not a superstar, she lost the primary for a reason, but she's not some especially toxic politician. At least not for anyone who would say "keeping Biden is better".

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago

She's a former prosecutor, she's not the best communicator, she isn't particularly charismatic, and she doesn't have a history of generating good legislation.

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’ll take it, she will still have that incumbent power and name recognition.

There are still a lot of people who might vote for Biden, but wouldn’t vote for a woman, especially a non white one.

If we get a chance, big if there, we will only get one.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Eh, we need to stop pretending like the only gettable votes are closet Republican racists. There are a lot more Democrats than Republicans, and Trump has turned off even more. Obama won twice and Clinton still beat Trump by millions of votes, and Clinton had a whole host of other issues more relevant than her gender. Non-white and women candidates are viable. Yeah, every vote is valuable, but Biden's been losing basic Democratic groups that Harris (or really any replacement) can reconnect with and juice turnout.

Yep, the Democratic problem is not persuading cultists on the other side, it's energizing the base.

[–] Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Her voice is annoying. That sounds super stupid and superficial, but that's enough to ruin the gut feeling of the average voter.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, I'm sure you think you're a great proxy for the average American voter. Too shrill maybe? Maybe too much vocal fry? Or maybe some other vocal feature that only applies to women?

Trump's got the stupidest fucking voice there is and dumb vocal mannerisms to boot. Biden whispers half his press briefings. Her voice is fine. It's a normal woman's voice.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And stuff like this is why we'll lose.

Someone gave a specific thing they didn't like and it was immediately dismissed as misogyny and the person was told "her voice is fine" like that's going to change anyones mind.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 months ago

LOL, fuck off. The specific thing was "her voice was annoying" which both isn't a real complaint and is a common complaint of women in general. And it's being applied to a woman who has a really normal voice. Dude deserves to be dressed down and Democrats lose when they duck and cover to try to accommodate vague fears about how everyone but them is actually unshakably sexist/racist/homophobic, so just run a straight white dude again.