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[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

One way to think about it is that it's similar to the difference between partisanship, a positive belief in the party you vote for that correlates with higher faith in democracy, and negative partisanship, a negative belief in parties that you vote against that correlates with dissatisfaction with democracy.

They're both "forms of partisanship," but they're distinct and different. The way patriotism and nationalism are being used in this thread share similar affective features.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago

Pride in your nation (to me at least) is so intrinsically linked to the modern nation state that I can't untangle it from nationalism. As such, it is always a tool for the powerful to override international class solidarity.

I can get if you're tied to and have positive feelings towards a culture that you identify with. But the nation tries to replace that connection to a culture by:

  1. Not making it opt-out (becoming stateless is such a disadvantage, if it's even possible)
  2. assimilating different cultures that actually don't have too much in common. E.g. Danes and Mecklemburgians have way more in common culturally that Mecklemburgians with Bavarians.