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I feel like I'm through the fucking looking glass. Trump has called for violence on many individuals/groups, led a goddamn insurrection in which people died, and will certainly be responsible for more bloodshed elected or not, but we're supposed to play this stupid as decency game because he was shot? I lost all respect for Jack Black today. Must be nice to afford this decency bullshit. He won't be put in a camp if these fascists succeed.
Trump literally called for people to assassinate Clinton in 2016.
Exactly. This wasn't an attempt on your run of the mill republican shitbag. This man is a real fucking threat and so are all of his supporters/followers.
I feel like it's just more of that corporate fence sitting. It's just extra strange and off putting when it's coming an individual versus your average soulless company.
I wouldn’t say strange, so much as disappointing.
We feel like we have relationships with entertainers, and most of the time we feel they represent - well, something other than corporate fence sitting. Being reminded they’re a product more than a person really sucks the air out of the room.
Or a person who doesn't want to be shot.
Honestly, I’m growing weary of that sentiment. It’s a scared, suburban sentiment.
They don’t deserve to be lionized, and I do not fear them.
They are paper tigers. Tacti-cool mall-ninja clowns.
They do not deserve respect, nor caution. They are only as empowered as they are allowed to feel. They deserve only ridicule.
Seriously?
Jack Black might want to be silly in front of audiences without fear of being shot.
I'm not talking about you or me, the average person with no exposure.
I'm talking about the people who are in front of people constantly.
You don’t have to elaborate or draw ever finer distinctions in search of a meaningful counter-argument. I reject your premise as not merely untrue, but unhelpful.
My statement stands.
I imagine personal safety is also a major factor. Concert security is a joke. KG making that comments paints a target on both of their backs.
They are domestic terrorists. Don't underestimate them.
Still, disappointing that JB has taken such a stance that seems to be neutral on hate and violence.
Not just their backs, but their audience as well. I wouldn't put it past one of the crazies to go on a mass shooting spree and kill a bunch of bystanders who are just there enjoying "Fuck Her Gently".
That's a good point. I just couldn't imagine doing that to my long time friend.
To play devils advocate, a comment like that has the potential to put you in the crosshairs of one of these nut jobs the FBI/DHS has told everyone to be on the look out for. There was a large uptick in these domestic terrorist groups calling for retaliation (even though the guy was a Republican), but everyone on the Right has intentionally not mentioned his political affiliation and just said things about the "radical left" just pouring gas on the fire.
Basically this. Even if they wanted to continue the tour, Gass just massively increased the chance of another mass shooting by some nut job out to get revenge. If that had really happened, it would've completely sunk everyone involved and people would be claiming that they were the ones that invited the catastrophe.
That's... pretty fair. It's easy to say things online, but Gass just made things very hard for concert security. How hard would it be for a right winger to sneak a gun into a concert and get close to the stage?
That's a fair take. I've been very frustrated with the respectability politics this week and it might be a bit unfair to him, as he isn't a political figure, but an entertainer who didn't initially choose to say anything. I can't say I'd throw my boy under the bus like that, but I'm not him.
I don't take calls against political violence as throwing anyone under the bus. He said he was "blindsided", which I take to mean he didn't expect him to say what he said. He also:
I think Kyle said it as more of a joke than serious, but when you don't know who is in the cult and who isn't when your looking out at a sea of people at a concert it sounds like Jack made the right call. Getting on a soapbox and "backing" Kyle would would just further put them and their crew in danger.
At what point do we decide danger is required for freedom? Before the freedom is gone???
Well, to be fair, I think that is up to each person to perform their own risk assessment. Some people have no fear, a death wish, or just willing to "die for the cause". I don't think we should be shitting on performers because they feel responsible for all of the many lives around them, and don't want to make that choice for all of them. That is something the Right does/wants to do. But I think voting against fascism will prove to be the easiest way, and will have the greatest impact come November. Getting yourself or someone else killed by people that are unwell and armed will just be one less vote against fascism come November.
I think the shitty thing is that for someone who was supposedly "blindsided" by what Gass said, he was chuckling at it.
This is either Jack Black throwing his bandmate under the bus because he otherwise would have been pulled from future movie projects, or they've received more than enough hateful comments and death threats from Trump supporters that they've been spooked into cancelling the tour for safety reasons.
This is a strange take to me. Nervous laughter is, famously, a thing. You can simultaneously be surprised by something that was said, not actually support it, but still laugh. Especially when you're in the middle of a show, literally on a stage, in front of thousands of people.
yeah, he probably didn't fully process the possible ramifications of a comment like that in the middle of a performance.
no fucking shit. fuck that man, I hope he chokes out on a very well done steak and ketchup concoction
Sincerely I am baffled at the take most comments have on this... Does this mean that because trump is a fucking fascist piece of shit that calls for violence against anyone he doesn't like we have the right to call for violence against him? Just because trump is a disgusting waste of biological matter that rapes kids do we have the right to rape his kids? What the fuck is with all these comments calling coward to jack black for pointing out how out of place is such a thing to say... It's a joke that I could do, in a group of close friends, that I know how they will take it. I'm pretty sure jack black would have found it funny in private. But in the middle of a show? Do we really need to remind people that calling for violence is not OK? Yeah we could take his comment as a joke... But what if some people in the audience are unhinged enough to take it seriously? The comment was definitely out of place. Freedom of speech has limits, and his comment is very much crossing the limit.
Look, I'm not going to lie, if I hear trump drops dead randomly tomorrow I wouldn't feel particularly sad (or at all) but I wouldn't ask for him to be assassinated or call for terrorism against republicans no matter how wrong I think they are and how dangerous they can be. What the fuck... there's so many people here hoping for a fucking asshole to be assassinated it's kinda scary even. That's not the solution against trump or republicans...
I guess we'll see how you feel when trumps supreme court sanctioned death squads of deputized gravy seals are murdering and raping in your neighborhood.