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WASHINGTON — Last night, President Biden signed the FY25 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) into law, which includes a provision inserted by Speaker Mike Johnson blocking healthcare for the transgender children of military servicemembers. This provision, the first anti-LGBTQ+ federal law enacted since the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996, will rip medically necessary care from the transgender children of thousands of military families – families who make incredible sacrifices in defense of the country each and every day. The last anti-LGBTQ+ federal law that explicitly targeted military servicemembers was Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, which went into effect in 1994.

Biden's press release:

No service member should have to decide between their family’s health care access and their call to serve our Nation.

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

The Senate doesn't rule any more than the President. The Senate must also compromise with the House. If America doesn't want Republicans to influence policy, then America has to stop voting for Republicans.

The real question is, why do Republicans choose to use their leverage on this shit? The answer is simple. It allows them to undermine Democrats by splitting the left. Your reaction is the exact reason why trans people just got screwed. You are personally more responsible than anyone in the Senate.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

There need to be hard red lines. Human rights are one of these. This bill is literally, without any exaggeration, going to result in several thousand dead children. But the very survival of trans people is "political," so it's OK to sacrifice our lives for the sake of political expediency.

A few thousand dead kids is nothing, because deep down, people don't see trans people as human beings.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social -2 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

without any exaggeration, going to result in several thousand dead children.

I sincerely doubt it. The impact is limited to trans children of active service members who do not have a second parent with health insurance. Furthermore, trans healthcare for kids generally means puberty blockers, not surgeries or other expensive interventions. As far as I can gather, that's about $5k-$12k per year if insurance pays, and likely lower with self pay discounts. That's easily doable with a GoFundMe.

None of that is to say it's OK. I'm just addressing the assertion of thousands of deaths.

Nobody should be thrown under the bus, but political reality in a split government says that someone will be. This gave Republicans the hate fix they so desperately wanted with probably less impact than with any other group. I still agree it sucks, but without knowing what the alternatives were, it's not rational to assume Democrats just didn't care to do better.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

There are about 2 million minors on Tricare. Around 1% of the population is trans, then that's 20,000 kids. The suicide attempt rate among trans kids untreated is about 40%. If only a quarter of those succeed, that's 2,000 dead kids among Tricare's current enrollees.

Now your despicable suggestion that people rely on GoFundMe for their life-saving healthcare? Or your hope that most families on Tricare have good insurance through their other partner? When military famously move so much that the other partner mantaining a good job is difficult? Those have obvious problems with them. The GoFundMe is a particularly demonic suggestion. Suffice it so say that no, thousands of families of trans kids are not going to find donors for thousands a year on fucking GoFundMe. This is healthcare, and that is what health insurance is for.

So yes, thousands of dead children is not in any way an exaggeration. Congress just willingly voted to murder several thousand children. And people like you are perfectly happy with it, as you do not consider trans people to be human beings.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Nobody should be thrown under the bus, but political reality in a split government says that someone will be.

What group did Republicans object to throwing under the bus?

Oh yeah, that only ever works one way, and it only ever works with people that Democrats consider expendable.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

What group did Republicans object to throwing under the bus?

What? Who said they did? Republicans need to throw someone under the bus. That's fascist strategy 101. They just don't care who it is.

people that Democrats consider expendable.

Let's put you in charge of the party then. Who do you choose to sacrifice instead? The Republicans are going to insist on some red meat. If the bill gets pushed off until January 20, it's just going to result in far worse for more people. One small charity could completely mitigate this issue for everyone, so why aren't you working on that?

This is just the beginning of the shit this country will be dealing with for at least the next couple of years. If the Democrats don't absolutely crush it in 2026, it will be a lot longer than that. You want to play these fucking games and pretend that Democrats are the enemy, then the blood can be on your hands.

I say this fully aware that the Democrats are on the wrong side of lots of issues that I care about, but there is no issue where they are worse than the Republicans. We can help by fixing the culture. Politicians are not good at doing the work of activists. (And activists generally make lousy politicians.)

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

What? Who said they did? Republicans need to throw someone under the bus. That’s fascist strategy 101.

And Democrats play along. That's complicity 101.

Let’s put you in charge of the party then. Who do you choose to sacrifice instead?

Your question is based on the incorrect assumption that fascists are happy when they have achieved the sacrifice of one group. Who do you choose to sacrifice next? Because there will be a next. The trans people you consider expendable? When Republicans move on to the next entry on their "then they came for" list, there is one fewer entry between you and being the group Democrats are willing to jettison to save the dwindling whole.

One small charity could completely mitigate this issue for everyone, so why aren’t you working on that?

I know why you aren't. In my case, this happened yesterday. But hey, anyone who describes a problem has to singlehandedly solve it as it happens, or nothing they say is valid.

This is just the beginning of the shit this country will be dealing with for at least the next couple of years.

Yup. Democrats shoveling vulnerable populations into the maw in an effort they know to be in vain to placate implacable fascists.

You want to play these fucking games and pretend that Democrats are the enemy, then the blood can be on your hands.

Democrats are culpable for their complicity. You just want no accountability as your party turns quisling.

I say this fully aware that the Democrats are on the wrong side of lots of issues that I care about,

They're on the wrong side of a lot of issues you don't consider important too.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

I say this fully aware that the Democrats are on the wrong side of lots of issues that I care about, but there is no issue where they are worse than the Republicans. We can help by fixing the culture. Politicians are not good at doing the work of activists. (And activists generally make lousy politicians

Pro war Democrats are worse on the issue of foreign policy than the 1 or 2 anti war Republicans.

They're worse only on foreign policy, but they are worse.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 27 minutes ago

1 or 2 Republicans? That's such a creative way to do logic that I'm impressed!

Yeah, I totally concede. Straight up. In fact, I'll bet that the average Democrat is worse than 1 or 2 Republicans on every issue! You fucking got me, LOL.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The Senate doesn’t rule any more than the President. The Senate must also compromise with the House.

Compromise is not enthusiastic capitulation, which is what we got. This wasn't a squeaker. Democrats overwhelmingly voted for this in the senate. The party abandoned trans people and you're defending them for it.

If America doesn’t want Republicans to influence policy, then America has to stop voting for Republicans.

Well, Democrats' last word to trans people for the foreseeable future was "we're doing what Republicans want." Democrats had an opportunity to do better here.

The real question is, why do Republicans choose to use their leverage on this shit?

Because they know that Democrats will break solidarity with any vulnerable minority and then blame anyone who is upset about it, like so:

The answer is simple. It allows them to undermine Democrats by splitting the left. Your reaction is the exact reason why trans people just got screwed. You are personally more responsible than anyone in the Senate.

This is bullshit. Centrists are responsible for their own cowardice and their own complicity. Don't blame people who are upset because you got everything you wanted.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

An overwhelming vote is not the same as an enthusiastic vote. The bill got 100% of the Democratic vote in the executive branch, yet Biden was far from enthusiastic about that provision.

The Democrats had to compromise with Republicans on something, and Republicans choose which issues to compromise on, and which to hold firm to. The Republicans chose trans people, not the Democrats. It's possible that the Democrats could have offered some other group, but they don't have the power for it not to screw any vulnerable minority. That bill was never going to arrive at the Senate.

Cowardice and centrism have nothing to do with this bill. I'm the first to agree that Democrats are cowardly centrists, but not in this context. When Democrats have to compromise with Republicans to pass critical legislation, that legislation will definitionally be more "centrist" than the Democrats themselves.

Where cowardly centrism comes into play is in presenting their case to the American people. I absolutely do blame Kamala and her consultants for totally avoiding trans issues in her campaign. But, when the election is done, the country doesn't operate without compromises with elected Republicans.

I'm not sure why you would assume I got everything I wanted. The trans stuff is just the start of what I don't like about this funding bill. I also have no doubt that if the Democrats owned both branches that there would still be a lot I don't like, but I think the trans provision would be gone.

It was unfair of me to say it was your fault that Republicans chose to force the trans issue in this bill. It's not. It will be your fault when they do it next time though, because you are rewarding them for it.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

An overwhelming vote is not the same as an enthusiastic vote.

Yes it is.

The bill got 100% of the Democratic vote in the executive branch, yet Biden was far from enthusiastic about that provision.

He says he isn't. You give him the benefit of the doubt. You trust him. I do not.

But, when the election is done, the country doesn’t operate without compromises with elected Republicans.

Or capitulation, as in this case.

I’m not sure why you would assume I got everything I wanted.

Because you're carrying water for a lame duck president whose career is over.

I also have no doubt that if the Democrats owned both branches that there would still be a lot I don’t like, but I think the trans provision would be gone.

I don't.

It was unfair of me to say it was your fault that Republicans chose to force the trans issue in this bill. It’s not. It will be your fault when they do it next time though, because you are rewarding them for it.

And the next time Democrats throw trans people under the bus, it'll be your fault for defending them. Not that this isn't the intended outcome.