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[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 111 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

There are some, handheld firearms that are used as a last-ditch / cheap anti drone solution in Ukraine, by both sides.

Drum roll.....

https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2024/analysis-shotguns-emerge-as-a-frontline-defense-against-drones-in-evolving-military-and-security-tactics

Its shotguns.

Because they have a spread of multiple shot pellets instead of a single bullet.

Fucking obviously duh, they've been used to hunt small, evasive birds routinely, everywhere, for like 150+ years.

Hunting a nimble flying object with a sniper rifle is a laughably absurd idea.

This actual post from this woman is so stupid I would have thought it was from a 12 year old whose only experience with guns is from CoD... but nope, its a 50ish(?) year old woman.

Guess she's never hunted birds, and thinks its just the same as hunting deer or hogs or something???

[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 47 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Shotguns just can’t stop winning

[–] Slab_Bulkhead@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"winning" and my dumb brain..

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 12 points 4 days ago

I heard that guy's a real crack shot.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ive heard and seen some images and videos of soliders building their own antidrone ammo. They rip the tip off the casing and heat shrink a coulple of bbs together and crimp them to the casing. I'm not certain how legitimate or effective it is but I've seen several videos and images of it. They recomend staggering the homemade rounds with tracer rounds to help with aiming.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 13 points 4 days ago

Hah, I suppose that could work!

Reminds me of ratshot .22 rounds.

Maybe somebody will start properly manufacturing basically ratshot 5.56 rounds.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Old people can be stupid too :-)

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Not gonna lie, if she can take a drone out with that I'd be pretty impressed.

[–] jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Also, people seem to be forgetting that shotguns don't only shoot shot or slugs:

https://www.lesslethal.com/products/12-gauge/als12skymi-5-detail

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I did not know an actual anti drone, net round existed!

Not especially useful against drones, nor open warfare, there are also less than lethal rubber rounds...

... and a self contained taser round:

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/taser-x12-xrep-a-taser-in-a-shotgun-shell/

I don't know if the xrep is still actually manufactured though.

Oh right! Dragon's breath! Illegal in half the country!

https://www.firequest.com/G12-113.html

[–] jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

People have been basically homebrewing shot gun shells since shotguns have existed. Everything from flachetes, to bolos, to XREP - even idiots that have shoved a shell full of .17 hmr rounds to see what happens. I 100% know that homebrewed anti drone shells exist and range from tying fishing line around pellets, to just launching a rope.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, I was trying to stick to retailed products, but yes, homebrew shotgun rounds have been around for basically as long as shotguns.

Another kind of homebrew shot is coin shot:

https://www.alloutdoor.com/2020/06/17/shooting-pennies-shotgun/

I've heard anecdotally that people have been doing that for quite a while.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's an old story that cowboys would load nickles. It ends up being something like $1.25 in nickles, which would be enough to spend the evening with several prostitutes at the time. So probably no unless they were in a real pinch.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So I have no actual source on any kind of coinshot...

But why not use half pennies?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half_cent_(United_States_coin)

Yes, the US used to have half pennies.

Imagine buying an apple for $0.03½

Anyway, they stopped being minted in 1857, but that's still within the early timeframe of 'The West', and I'd bet they were still used in circulation for another decade or two.

That'd be cheaper than using nickels, haha.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 3 days ago

Looking up the size of coins compared to shotgun gauges, I'm guessing the tale was dimes rather than nickles. Dimes would fit in a 12 gauge just fine. A half penny would need a 6 gauge, and a full penny would need a 10 gauge. I don't know for sure, but I don't think 6 or 10 gauges were ever popular shotgun sizes.