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Trump announced plans to end birthright citizenship via executive action, despite its constitutional basis in the 14th Amendment.

He also outlined a mass deportation policy, starting with undocumented immigrants who committed crimes and potentially expanding to mixed-status families, who could face deportation as a unit.

Trump said he wants to avoid family separations but left the decision to families.

While doubling down on immigration restrictions, Trump expressed willingness to work with Democrats to create protections for Dreamers under DACA, citing their long-standing integration into U.S. society.

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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 60 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Not sure how he plans on deporting people who were born in the United States and have no citizenship anywhere else since not every country automatically gives it to people's children born abroad.

They would effectively have no home country to deport them too.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 73 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Meaning they will stay in the concentration camps until Trump's Final Solution is implemented.

[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Slavery is much more economically viable than extermination. So, thank you capitalism, I think?

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But you also have to keep slaves relatively healthy to maintain them working. If you slaves get too hungry, they can't do whatever labor you make em do. If they get real sick, it's going to affect your other slaves.

And human slaves usually don't put their heads down and do it forever. A lot of the Nazi labor camps massacred their captives because they started uprisings.

There is nothing economically feasible with what they want. They just think they can do what they want and he even richer. Which is why you can look at the entirety of recorded human history for these same mistakes being repeated over and over again.

[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's easy, you just continue to expand the list of "undesirables".

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

They also don't seem to know or tend to forget that it only needs a relatively small percentage of the population to flat out resist for society to stop working. Only a few hundreds of thousands of protesters in East Germany brought the country to its knees and effectively ended the Cold War.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

A "Fine ol' solution" as they say in Florida

I should invest in corrections, sounds like a goldmine

[–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Hello. Australian here. Just ask our sadistic government. We do it all the time. Hint: It involves putting people in camps.

[–] ellen_musk_0x@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago

Little camps for homework. Where you can concentrate.

[–] GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That didn't stop them from deporting people to Mexico in the 30s. A senator at the time estimated that 60% of those who were removed from the country were US Citizens

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

They can't do that unless Mexico agrees. They can't just drive people down to San Diego and then shove them into Tijuana.

[–] leisesprecher 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Even bigger question: what then?

Say you deport a citizen of Mexican origin to Mexico. Can't they just, you know, go back? They're citizens, with a passport/id.

The only alternative is to strip them (at least de facto) of their citizenship, which is literally a Hitler move (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesetz_%C3%BCber_den_Widerruf_von_Einb%C3%BCrgerungen_und_die_Aberkennung_der_deutschen_Staatsangeh%C3%B6rigkeit, only a German source, unfortunately).

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Happened to my grandfather. A Jew born in Germany who emigrated to England in the late 1920s. I have his naturalisation papers from when he became a citizen of the UK in 1936 and his nationality is listed as "stateless."

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

You don't even need to read the article. The title states quite clearly this is about citizenship not residence.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes they'll have to revoke citizenship.

[–] stormeuh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Which may be the end goal, use this as a wedge to convince their base that revoking citizenship may be justified in some cases.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You are missing out on a key component of their plan: concentration camps.

He has outright said that he plans on using the same law that was used to justify the internment of Japanese citizens during WW2.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/texas-land-trump-mass-deportation-b2650813.html

https://www.salon.com/2024/10/11/theyre-animals-vows-mass-deportation-under-law-used-to-justify-japanese-internment-camps/

Literal concentration camps are coming.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

He was already shocked Bahamas turned down his "offer" to send them deported people. I think it's only a matter of time before they send a plane somewhere anyhow and get US flights promptly banned everywhere.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

They would effectively become stateless. And how they do what from there depends a lot on where they are forcefully relocated to. Assuming the majority will be forced into Mexico, Mexico has an established legal process for accepting refugees. Through the application process, if approved, you (and your family unit) would gain permanent residency. It's not the same as citizenship, but you could stay there indefinitely and have mostly the same rights as Mexican citizens. You might run into issues with getting passports and traveling internationally, but at the least, you would be able to stay in Mexico. That depends on your refugee application being approved, and I'd imagine when the numbers cross over into the millions their established system would break down a bit and there would probably be very long delays during which you could be deported.

If it's somewhere else, well, it varies widely. Most of the Caribbean islands have comparatively smaller populations and probably only handle migration on a small scale. It's very hard to say how things would play out. Many would almost certainly be forced to illegally immigrate back into America.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He doesn't plan on shit. Even this Supreme Court would tell him to fuck off.

[–] morriscox@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Given that the Supreme Court ruled that all official (who decides?) acts are legal, I have no faith in them.