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As per .world worldnews mod, no discussing naughty stuff like jury nullification.

While this post is blowing up, here's the book referenced by the shooter:

Delay Deny Defend - Why Insurance Companies Don't Pay Claims and What You Can Do About It

By request: Full, uncensored video of the shooting. (Fucking obviously NSFW)

Jury nullification: A practical FAQ

Do I have to answer questions about jury nullification?

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[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 169 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

I consider human life sacred

Like the lives of those cut short by denying treatment so CEOs and shareholders can make more money?

only God may judge us

Oh, fuck off. If God exists and actually cared, he/she/they would have "judged" the guy a long time ago for introducing needless suffering and cruelty.

[–] Localhorst86 60 points 2 weeks ago

only god may judge us

Is a great argument for jury nullification. Because that will allow for god to decide the shooters verdict.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, needless suffering and cruelty are kinda that god's bag...

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

That's why I added "and actually cared" :)

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

god is the most cruel entity in the entirety of the bible. kills the most people, causes the most suffering. how anyone can read that book and come away with a positive view of that beast is unfathomable.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I agree, but that wasn't quite the point I was trying to make.

The moderator was on a moral superiority high-horse by suggesting that "only God may judge" a guy who served as the judge for other's lives through complacent inaction and encouraging policies that put personal gain over humanity.

The only way that argument wouldn't have been hypocritical is if he agreed that God was a cruel bastard, and I don't think that was the case.

ahh yep, great points.

[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

God judged and sent an assassin if we’re gonna play the whole believe in god game

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If god is omnipotent, everything that happens is a result of his judgement.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Omnipotent, omnipresent, and benevolent, yes.

[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Benevolent is very debatable gestures widely at genocide and children dying of cancer

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Indeed.

Note that I'm not claiming anything, just pointing out the traditional philosophical parameters of what-is-or-isn't-'god'.

[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Even going by their own books calling god benevolent is a stretch

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Which - oh that god. Yes. That one is particularly, um, violent.

[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I’m referring to the abrahamic one…. I don’t know enough about Hinduism or other religions that have gods to have an opinion on them.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It is impossible for a being to be omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent given the amount of suffering in the world. They can only be two of the three at most:

Omnipotent + omniscient = Knows about evil, can stop it, but chooses not to.

Omnipotent + benevolent = Can do something about evil and wants to stop it, is too oblivious to on a large scale.

Omniscient + benevolent = Knows about evil and wants to stop it, is powerless to do anything significant about it.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's the way most people see it.

As it happens, people don't generally talk about it very much. For some reason.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

If they're believers it's because god is "good" no matter what he does or allows to happen.