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I just saw a video about BC/AD as opposed to BCE/CE and the invention of the Gregorian calendar and I wondered what year it would be if we counted the years like the Romans did.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

serious question: do we know for a fact that that's when recording started for some reason or is it just the assumption based on what we have discovered so far?

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 2 points 17 hours ago

It's most likely an assumption, but if it is, it would be an assumption that's almost impossible to break, since this involves the self-awareness of records in an area known to have the first records and where those records wouldn't have as much of a reason to be obscured. The fact that an exact date can be given also gives reason to wonder if there's a good reasoning behind the date.

[–] ZDL@ttrpg.network 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

We don't.

Writing was invented in the range of 3300-3400BCE and the earliest coherent texts of any kind we have are from 2600BCE at the earliest. We only have archaeological evidence of anything that happened before that, and there's nothing special about 4241BCE in that record. (The nature of archaeology makes dating prehistoric things with that level of precision risible anyway.)

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

the reason I ask is that if we were to implement this date as a stating point for our calendar, further discovery of earlier records could make it just an arbitrary point. in which case, all the trouble that goes into implementing this change will be rendered pointless. I think it would be better if we picked a starting point that we're certain of. any significant historic event would do, as long as we know the date wouldn't change.