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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It’s so annoying because there has been a small but noticeable rise in anti-semetism, which can probably be explained by the fact Israel is literally commiting human rights abuses which border on the definition of genocide, in fact, they probably fit it.

But instead of focusing on the genocide, and on the small increase in actual anti-semetism, these people are somehow focusing on the anti-zionism (which is completely justified in the current situation) and conflating it with anti-semetism.

It’s not anti-semetic to think we should grant palestinian statehood, ideally giving the whole of Jerusalem back to Palestinians.

[–] rammer@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Israel is literally commiting human rights abuses which border on the definition of genocide, in fact, they probably fit it.

There's nothing "probably" about it. Even the UN says it is genocide.

[–] jenesaisquoi 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you have a source for the UN saying it? I'm not doubting your comment, I'd just like to read more about it

[–] federalreverse 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A UN special committee says Israel's behavior is "consistent with characteristics of genocide". Which is a little bit removed from an actual accusation of committing genocide.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide

[–] jenesaisquoi 2 points 1 day ago

Has there been a ruling, as far as I know it’s currently alleged. From the evidence it seems pretty likely, but it would be wrong to say anything has been concluded.

[–] Saleh 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It is a convenient cover to deflect them blame of antisemitism, which is an European invention and concept for the most part, as well as it is alive and well in "white" Europeans.

By shifting the blame to Arab and other immigrants and anti-imperialist leftists this serves to further the rise of the far right, while downplaying their antisemitism.

A Jewish professor who opposes the recent "anti-antisemitism" resolution in Germany put it very well. He noted that the resolution does not refer to the most obvious antisemitic crime in Germany of the past years. An attempted massacre at a Synagogue in Halle by a Neo-Nazi. Instead it mentions the least clear "antisemitic" event, the description of Israel as an apartheid state, by the Israeli and Palestinian directors of the documentary "No Other Land" at the Berlinale 2023.

So literal Neo-Nazis trying to slaughter Jews seems to not be relevant to mention for the German lawmakers as antisemitism, while calling Israel an apartheid state apparently is an attack on all Jews for these lawmakers. Jews are once again used as a bargaining chip for nationalist politics.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Agreed mostly, but I think you’re going much too far by saying anti-semetism is non-existent in non-european places.

There are countless historical examples proving otherwise, that don’t conflate anti-zionism and anti-semitism.

[–] Saleh 0 points 1 day ago

It definetely exists and existed outside of Europe but it is predominantlz an European concept. Especiallz the genocidal antisemitism, brought to the extreme by nazi Germany with collaborateurs all over Europe, already has its root at least in the times of the crusades. Pogroms were coined as a term in Eastern Europe as they became more popular their. The whole "race theory" nonsense to somehow make racism "scientific" also included concepts of what would be physical traits of Jews and the British Lord Balfour supported Zionism to get rid of British Jews he deemed "not able to integrate"

The last point deserves special attention imo. as it shows how the way Jews were perceived in the 19th and 20th century are now transferred to how Muslims are perceived.

[–] jenesaisquoi 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wtf is a white European?

Can we please leave the USA kind of racism inside of the USA.

[–] Saleh 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well there is plenty who do not consider people living here as Europeans, even if their families are in Europe since 2, 3 or more generations. So tye ones who think in these terms are the "white" Europeans trying to shift the blame for their antisemitism away to immigrants.