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So in recent weeks I've learned that furries are a lot more shunned than I thought, and it's one of those things like Bronies where it's not the subject of their obsession but the enthusiasm they have for the subject of their fandom.
I grew up with Disney and Warner Brothers classics, read the Albedo comic anthology and a few others, but don't see myself as a furry enthusiast (contrast my enthusiasm for late 20th century are we the real monsters? science fiction). Furry porn and furry-themed sex fantasies aren't particularly my scene, but this is true for the majority of furries as well.
But our society has gotten weird about furries and anthros, which I guess became evident when the US right-wing started spreading the litter-boxes in schools canard. Curiously, in the porn media community, animal genital shapes are a controversy, and mainstream media platforms that sell furry porn will not allow for anthros with canine or equine genitals. I think VISA specifically will not allow transactions for such works, which is stunning interventionism both in its overreach and specificity.
And then some social media sites have special rules for furry content, that even SFW furry content can only appear inside furry-inclusive perimeters... unless it's classical like Warner or Hanna Barbara. Wikipedia refuses to acknowledge Freefall (1998-present) one of the long-running fairly-hard-science-fiction webcomics (that gets into space-travel culture and robot culture), specifically because it has an anthro as a main character, more precisely, a genetically engineered wolf, next to a robot and a non-human trader.
It's not that furries are weird. It's that society is weird about furries.
I had an idea that the paws salute should become the official salute of the new resistance (since furries have been marked as a target for fascist enemy within rhetoric), but then trying to do some basic web searches, I couldn't find a proper conventional name for the pose, nor easy-to-find art of it, even though I've seen the gesture made by catgirls often enough to know it's a thing, and one of the salutes I might consider when standing before the firing squad.
In the last few years, I went from being resignedly a man to being enby, having become disgusted with how dudes obsessed with manhood have conducted themselves in our society. Before, I didn't care that much, and my own notions of what it was to be a man turned into adulting in the 2010s (take care of business; make sure rent and utilities are paid; don't do violence, especially when nuclear weapons are involved). Now men look like Matt Walsh and Donald Trump.
I'm not a furry or otherkin (yet), but considering how the furry community is among the untermenschen, I'm half-inclined to develop a fursona for sake of solidarity.
And I still think the paws salute should be the sign of the resistance.
Yes, furries seem to be the new group everyone is ready to hate no matter the political inclination. Gays are accepted more and more, trans people are far from safe, but at least have allies, furries seem to be the easiest target now. I need to learn the paws salute.
Please don't compare your love for cartoon animals to being lgbt
Tbf, furries are ⅔ LGBT.
There's research on that. Thanks, Canadian goverment.
Edit: ITT: Someone spends 10 fucking hours responding to every single reply thats even remotely empathetic towards furries, while being a wedge-issue little shit. This is so sad.
Furry or not; we are stronger together.
That can be true at the same time as "being a furry doesn't make you an at risk minority"
I see a huge potential for them to become an at risk minority. Why shouldn't I defend a group that I think is innocent and under threat? I don't want them to be next. Bullying of groups of people who do no harm, just want to express themselves in their own way, makes me sick.
Because being a furry is a hobby, engaging in a hobby doesn't make you a minority.
No matter what happens, you can always stop looking at cartoon animals on the internet, can't really stop being gay or trans.
Are we gatekeeping being rejected now?
Let's not tolerate narrowing the spectrum of ways people can enjoy their lives. That's what totalitarian regimes do. They prohibit this and prohibit that, and in the end, you are only allowed to watch the approved movies, listen to the approved music and wear the approved clothes. You can stop expressing yourself, you can stop engaging in your hobbies, you can stop living the way you want to live, you can survive. But it sucks all happiness from your life.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to do anything.
I'm just saying that equating a hobby to things people literally cannot change about these is absolutely horrible.
Going "well the transes have support but who is supporting furries" is stupid.
Yes, tons of furries are queer, this does not mean that to be a furry is to be queer, it's a square and rectangle kinda thing.
Get your rocks off any fucking way you want but equating liking cartoon animals to being trans, while there is an active push for trans genocide world-wide is fucking disgusting.
There will never be wide persecution or institutional oppression against the tony the tiger fan club.
I'm supporting trans people as well. This is not a popularity contest and I don't view it as either-or. I believe both trans people and furries should be part of the general discours about tolerance and inclusivity of our society. Our tolerance should be broad and not focused only on sexual minorities.
I'm not saying that being a furry should not be protected as artistic expression.
It's just ridiculous to put it on the same level as being lgbt, because being lgbt puts people at serious risk while being a furry means you'll have to deal with an obnoxious edgy 14 year old online every now and then.
Well, there are already countries where people are not allowed to be furries and countries where the persecution is just starting. It can happen anywhere. There's just one intolerance, no matter what target it choses. I'm not trying to compare furries and lgbt in any other way than in the hate those groups ignite in some people. And the hate is what I'm concerned with.
This reads to me a lot like "I don't care what they do in their bedroom, but why do they have to be that way in public?"
I bet you have blue hair and pronouns
And now the pivot from furries to trans people. I am utterly shocked that this would be the case.
Chaonaut understand an obvious joke challenge
Oh, indeed. I'm sure you have a tight five about identifying as a helicopter you're just dying to share with us.
From the context in this thread you could have clearly found out I'm not transphobic, especially since you seem to be stalking my replies.
Or maybe transphobes are now into pointing out that there's a trans genocide going on.
I'm all over this comment chain. It rather bothers me seeing this kind of bigotry get deployed against a queer subculture, and a rather long standing one, because it's the same oppression that gets put on us from the outside, and it is especially galling when I see queer people do it to other queer people. I presume that TERF lesbians calling trans people "predatory men invading women's spaces and misguided sisters" is something you can't stand at least as much as I do? Please recognize that painting furries as sexual degenerates is the same thing. Maybe I'm at a nexus of the gay furry community, but so many of the queer people in my locale are also part of the furry subculture, and, no, their existence is not purely sexual, and, yes, furry is a pretty core aspect of their identity and culture.
Never called anyone a predator.
Never called anyone a sexual degenerate and never condoned it, furries are an artistic subculture and not inherently sexual.
Again, never said they would be.
This doesn't make being a furry an inherently queer thing. Lots of queer people do theater, should being an actor get equated to being queer?
They're just different things, and while I don't want any harm to come to the furry community, equating furries with lgbt people whole cloth just feels disrespectful to the struggles of queer people.
Please recognize that other people in this thread are doing those things while you, separately, are merely deriding furries. And while they may not be wholly queer, there is a lot of queer people who are furries and, apparently, a least one study found that two-thirds of furries are queer. And, yes, as it happens "theatre kids" are often queer, and recognizing that a lot of homophobia is directed at theatre folk because it can be an space for queer people to safely explore their identity is somewhat important.
Being queer is when you're really into college sports mascots
Clearly, no queer person has ever adopted a flamboyant persona and worn elaborately designed costumes.