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And I'm being serious. I feel like there might be an argument there, I just don't understand it. Can someone please "steelman" that argument for me?

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[–] asret@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Then work to change it. Your voting system is broken and makes millions feel disenfranchised. People should be able to vote their conscience without worrying about stupid political games.

I've criticized then for their voting behavior as well - that if they want outcomes aligned to their values that dictates a particular voting strategy.

But you don't get to blame them for the outcome. That's on the broken system, and the failure of the losing party to appeal to them.

[–] Custodian1623@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They share the blame. This election was lost because of low voter turnout and so many will suffer for it. This wasn't the electoral college, this wasn't voter fraud, people had the opportunity to fill in a bubble to stop the proud fascists and they chose not to.

[–] asret@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

It's not surprising that people don't show up to vote if they don't believe they have a voice. Provide proper representation for them rather than the slightly different shades of purple on offer now. Allow them to voice the nuance of their positions and you'd probably have Kamala as the president elect right now.

This is just the trolley problem - you're trying to force them to pull a lever when many people feel that the only moral choice is not to.

Give them a way to participate and they'll be able to weigh the options.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That'd require dems getting off their armchair. We're gonna see people who voted third party protesting, striking, organizing and engaging in mutual aid, while dems wait for the next time the corporations say it's time to choose between the good cop and the bad cop.

They're going "enjoy fascism you idiots!" because they know they ain't gonna do shit, and they never planned to do shit. Their complacency and tolerance of fascists (as long as they're the stick to their carrot) is the reason the US is in this fucking mess to begin with.