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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know why everyone keeps insisting that courting the right was a stupid move. I personally know a lot of life long Republicans that got real tired of the MAGA stuff. In this matchup specifically, trying to scoop the conservative-but-not-MAGA vote makes sense by the numbers. Obviously it didn't pan out, but at least in theory, there should be a sizeable bloc of voters there.

[–] Saleh 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Less people voted Trump in 2024 than in 2020. It is not that Trump won, it is that Biden/Harris lost hard.

Trump: 74 Mio. in 2020, 73 Mio. in 2024

Biden/Harris: 81 Mio. in 2020, 69 Mio. in 2024

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election

Seems like people on the less right side of politics also got tired after the whole "we need to stop Trump or democracy ends" messaging led to an underwhelming / genocidal and dementia struck president

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

It's easy to look back. I sincerely think that, based on research and subsequent speculation, appealing to non-MAGA conservatives was a rational play. It explains Liz Cheney and the whole nothing-will-fundamentally-change angle.

Again, didn't pay off, but I'm sure research showed greater expected returns from conservatives than leftists.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Polling research has shown that many progressive policies are popular with not only republican voters but all Americans. Trying to appeal to republican voters by taking on right-wing framing on issues like Immigration, will just reinforce the lies that rhetoric is built on and push those voters further right.

Polls on campaign messaging

How to Win a Swing Voter in Seven Days

“The View” Alternate Universe: Break From Biden in Interviews, Play the Hits in Ads

Polls on policy

How Trump and Harris Voters See America’s Role in the World

Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college

Democrats should run on the popular progressive ideas, but not the unpopular ones

Here Are 7 ‘Left Wing’ Ideas (Almost) All Americans Can Get Behind

Finding common ground: 109 national policy proposals with bipartisan support

Progressive Policies Are Popular Policies

Tim Walz's Progressive Policies Popular With Republicans in Swing States

People don't want 'nothing will fundamentally change' they want real change to improve their livelyhood

[–] Saleh 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

But these "lets poll and analyse who to peddle to" strategy has been a failure for two of the past three elections. People are tired of getting managed messages instead of a coherent platform.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago

I'm not saying you're incorrect, I'm just saying that, considering the circumstances, it wasn't an unreasonable gamble. Leftists are notoriously stingy with their vote. As long as progressives are unreliable on election day, appealing to proven voters on well-vocalized issues is a safer strategy. It being an unsuccessful strategy doesn't mean it's not the most successful strategy.