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[–] Fester@lemm.ee 67 points 1 day ago (2 children)

“So what you’re saying is we need to move further to the right.”

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know why everyone keeps insisting that courting the right was a stupid move. I personally know a lot of life long Republicans that got real tired of the MAGA stuff. In this matchup specifically, trying to scoop the conservative-but-not-MAGA vote makes sense by the numbers. Obviously it didn't pan out, but at least in theory, there should be a sizeable bloc of voters there.

[–] Saleh 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Less people voted Trump in 2024 than in 2020. It is not that Trump won, it is that Biden/Harris lost hard.

Trump: 74 Mio. in 2020, 73 Mio. in 2024

Biden/Harris: 81 Mio. in 2020, 69 Mio. in 2024

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election

Seems like people on the less right side of politics also got tired after the whole "we need to stop Trump or democracy ends" messaging led to an underwhelming / genocidal and dementia struck president

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It's easy to look back. I sincerely think that, based on research and subsequent speculation, appealing to non-MAGA conservatives was a rational play. It explains Liz Cheney and the whole nothing-will-fundamentally-change angle.

Again, didn't pay off, but I'm sure research showed greater expected returns from conservatives than leftists.

[–] Saleh 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

But these "lets poll and analyse who to peddle to" strategy has been a failure for two of the past three elections. People are tired of getting managed messages instead of a coherent platform.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

I'm not saying you're incorrect, I'm just saying that, considering the circumstances, it wasn't an unreasonable gamble. Leftists are notoriously stingy with their vote. As long as progressives are unreliable on election day, appealing to proven voters on well-vocalized issues is a safer strategy. It being an unsuccessful strategy doesn't mean it's not the most successful strategy.

[–] freshcow@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Exactly the message I expect them to take away from this, if 2016 and 2020 are any indication. Zero introspection.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 points 42 minutes ago* (last edited 40 minutes ago)

I would not be surprised if the new iteration of the DNC is the 90s, early 2000s GOP. Look how they are spamming McCain on reddit.

Such a sick cruel joke to make it so the choices in our false election will be GOP or Orange Putin.

Remember Tucker Carlson fucking a loaf of bread in a Russian grocery store. Well I hope you all like bread!

The only thing that makes all of this interesting is trumps inevitable death. I know his mental decline is in there too but they'll just weekend a berries him for the final years.