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I highly doubt the left will do anything uncivil. How can they win back the country? Is it too late?

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[–] ashok36@lemmy.world 65 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What do you mean? Trump won decisively. Electoral, popular, in the senate, etc...

You're really asking, "how does a minority continue to exist in the face of a fascist majority?"

The answer is, generally, they don't.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think that is an oversimplification. He won the popular vote, but that's the majority of voters, not the majority of people, right? So we cannot accurately say that the majority is fascist. We can only say that the voting majority is fascist.

And then we need to look at who was conned, and how. Of course people who got conned need to work harder to avoid that in the future. We all agree on that. At the same time, the con artists and the people who enable the con, we also need to identify them and figure out what's making them successful. If we talk about major newspapers and TV networks failing to cover how bad Trump actually was, or putting Harris on unrealistic pedestal, newspaper owners refusing to allow newspaper editors to endorse a candidate, the way Fox News preys on people who grew up trusting TV news and now have only watched Fox for the last two decades, open lies about who's eating cats and dogs, a DNC that pushes centrist candidates even after 2016 when the weakness was exposed, and it's clear that many left-wing voters are wildly unhappy, those are all things that smaller groups have done to help create the situation that we saw yesterday. And that's just a short list.

So what I hope we can do, is I hope we can avoid saying something trite like, this is what the American people wanted, full stop. If you want to make that a conversation starter, go for it. But it shouldn't be a dismissive conversation ender, because it ignores what actually happened and What will continue to happen in the future.

[–] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He won the popular vote, but that's the majority of voters, not the majority of people, right?

Right, the rest are just so lazy and consumed by apathy that they could not be bothered to vote when THESE were the stakes. I think we can confidently rule them out for any advocacy for our freedom.

[–] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 1 points 2 weeks ago

But statistically, those who didn't vote likely have a similar ideology distribution.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago

You forget that he won decisively... with less votes than he got last time