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Sentient and capable of suffering are two different things. Ants aren't sentient, but they have a neurological pain response. Drag thinks LLMs are about as smart as ants. Whether they can feel suffering like ants can is an unsolved scientific question that we need to answer BEFORE we go creating entire industries of AI slave labour.
Technically true, but in the opposite way to what you're thinking. All those capable of suffering are by definition sentient, but sentience doesn't necessitate suffering.
No it isn't, unless you subscribe to a worldview in which sentience could exist everywhere all at once instead of under special circumstances, which would demand you grant ethical consideration to every rock on the ground in case it's somehow sentient.
Show drag a scientific paper demonstrating that ants or animals of similar intelligence can't suffer. You're claiming the problem is solved, show the literature.
Did you just refer to yourself in the third person again? Why?
No, drag didn't refer to dragself in the third person.
I PROMISE everyone ants are smarter than a 2024 LLM. (edit to add:) Claiming they’re not sentient is a big leap.
But I’m glad you recognise they can feel pain!
Cite a study that shows it.
BEEF DOESNT NEED STUDY BEEF HAVE KNOWING and knowing is half the battle GEE EYE JOEEE
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-022-01784-1
Big LLMs are far more complex, but they're also made be people who don't have a clue what they're doing, so in the future we'll probably have much smaller ones.