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I assume the story itself will be updated as they go through those thousands of pages

See the documents below

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67656604/united-states-v-trump/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

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[–] jonne@infosec.pub 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Who's the type of person that's still undecided but would be swayed by some new relevation on Trump? At this stage you either don't know anything because you don't follow the news, you already know he's a criminal and a piece of shit, or you just think the media is making stuff up because "they're out to get him".

There's no piece of news that could possibly change things at this stage, besides him dying or something.

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I’d like to agree with this. But the fact is- we live in a reality in which not only a 34x convicted criminal/rapist is allowed to run for president, but has an actual chance to win.

If this can happen, then so too can there be undecided voters.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago

You make a frighteningly good point.

[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This may not sway them to vote Kamala, but it absolutely may sway them to abstain from voting.

I mean, think about all of those Michiganders who are staying out this year due to Gaza.

Negative press absolutely can sway voters, even this late in the game.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub -5 points 1 month ago

Yeah, agreed. The whole Democrat talking point about Trump being worse is just so played out. If you personally care about the issue and if both choices to vote for are pro genocide, it's definitely valid to stay home or vote third party. It's the only leverage they have.

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

Keep in mind it also gives people canvasing to lower-information voters something to mention

As an example, I was talking to someone undecided a bit ago who didn't follow news super closely and said education was their top issue. They looked completely taken a back when I mentioned how Trump has said he wants shut down the department of education (both from him directly and it's Project 2025)

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The average American is dumber than a sack of rotting racoon flesh. Im not even talking about your average Redneck cause at least our collective cultural madness makes us smart on somethings, no Im talking about your average middle management type who have no redeeming qualities. They are annoyingly too stupid to even grasp the concept of local government let alone who the bad guy is and think Trump is just some harmless boring politician.

[–] Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

I think the allure was, and maybe still is, that Trump was not a normal or boring candidate. His invective dispositions guaranteed controversy and mayhem, with damage to "the system" guaranteed.

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People that stupid must exist, because the Democrats seem to prefer those hypothetical voters over voters who would like a little less capitalism and genocide please.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub -2 points 1 month ago

I want my genocides with a side of handwringing, please

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

100%.

There’s no piece of news that could possibly change things at this stage, besides him dying or something.

Here's hoping. There is one minor cohort of voters out there still to get; Democratic/ Democratic leaning voters who can't bear to vote for genocide. All other matters are settled. The idea of "swing" voters is this weird political mythology that just doesn't manifest in modern (post 2000) elections. You don't win an election post 2000 chasing after the center, you win it by driving out your side. Trump understands that and he's done probably the best job he could have to do so. If you are a Trump supporter or lean Trump; you are voting Trump this election cycle and you are voting. If you are a Democrat or Democrat leaning, you are almost assuredly voting Kamala, but at least some small fraction of Democratic aligned voters are still holding back over the Israel/ Gaza issue. That small fraction, maybe 2-5% of totals voters, are the last remainder to be "got". They won't be "got" by Trump, but may can be left on the table by Harris.

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah anyone with a brain knows that it would be worse under a republican.

People decrying genocide aren't being honest. They know who the real warmongers are.