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[–] Rubisco@slrpnk.net 63 points 1 week ago (3 children)

They took it! At the tip of a sword!

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm so happy the first comment is someone getting the reference

[–] Rubisco@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"I'll do it with a lance."

The irony is that the Normans were far more likely to be using spears instead of swords, which are more like the lances that William was using to become a noble. Nobles would have carried swords, but they were status symbols and treated with religious reverence. They would only be used in battle if the spear was thrown or broken.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Spears are the timeless OG weapon.

[–] pyrflie@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

They were the great equalizer prior to Gunpowder.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Swords were always a secondary weapon, like handguns are today. I think it's novels that created the meme.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Novels, mythology, folk tales, swords have always been romanticized. Nobles that carried them would have holy relics (bits of dead saints) encased in the pommels. A well-made sword was a strong weapon, and its owner probably trained in its use.

Like imagine you're a pikeman, probably a farmer by trade, hungry and cold, wearing padded leather and salvaged cowhorn scalemail, probably injured or sick, and you are in the fracas of a battle. You see a mounted knight wearing proper chainmail armor, healthy and strong, rested because he didn't have to walk to the battle or dig a latrine to shit into, and he's got this shiny, sharp, holy weapon engraved with magic words you can't read. He's already broken his spear off in your friend, and now he's waving his blessed +2 Steel Longsword in your direction.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

In nordic sagas (which haven't been altered much) , heroes often wielded long weapons. They are always there when you look a bit.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Weren't Pikes developed only in the high middle ages? The swiss were find of them.

Prior to that you are looking at shorter spears and various other polararms like a billhook. Halberds and Pikes were later developments.

In ancient times, the Greek hoplite was used (similar to a pike), but it was actually made obsolete by the Roman sword, the gladius, and shield wall.

[–] pyrflie@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

Against the neck of the monarch. Unless you are forcing an agreement from the same your protest means nothing.