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[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml -2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

What background do I need to have in order to be allowed to recognize that the mathematics of lesser evils don’t make any sense?

Is there some amount of subjugation I can be under that allows me to have a materialist analysis?

Literally me: Don’t encourage these scumbags, don’t wait another moment to stand up for what you know is right, voting is the easiest way to make your voice heard!

You: wow, must be nice!

If youre reading this, don’t listen to people who try to mobilize identity politics against you. They don’t know or care who you are and would hate you more if you were a minority speaking out.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 3 points 52 minutes ago (1 children)

What background do I need to have in order to be allowed to recognize that the mathematics of lesser evils don’t make any sense?

A mathematically illiterate one.

See, we live under a system of First Past the Post, otherwise known as Plurality.

It's a system that forces a two party system. Not as a conscious choice, but as a consequence of the very system itself.

Here's the kicker. Plurality voting actively punishes you for supporting a third party.

If you siphon votes away from the lesser of two evils, the greater evil wins.

It's a pretty simple concept. And since we are just weeks away from the election, anyone who is actively pushing for third parties is automatically suspect.

Because the problems with Plurality are not some newly discovered quirk. They've been studied for centuries, but most extensively by Kenneth Arrow in the 70s.

What I'm saying is that most of the money given to support Third Parties, comes from people who are on the opposite side of the spectrum from those Third Parties.

Simply put, Trump and company throw money at the Greens and Socialists to siphon support away from the Dems, so that Trump and company can win with fewer votes.

So you, advocating for a third party, are mathematically indistinguishable from a Trump supporter.

[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml -1 points 39 minutes ago (1 children)

Wow if third parties are so powerful then how come you’re not voting for one too?

It seems like a great way to force the major party of your choice to pay attention to your politics.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 3 points 36 minutes ago (1 children)

I'm not voting Third party because I'm not a Trump Supporter.

But you may be one. Mathematically speaking.

[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 1 points 24 minutes ago (1 children)

My vote isn’t going to be counted for trump, and is for a party in opposition to his program.

You have a funny way of figuring out if someone is a trump supporter. Is it perhaps based on the old “with us or against us” chestnut?

You should know before you keep pushing that line, I will not vote Harris. If there was no party for socialism and liberation, I’d vote a different third party. If there were no third parties, I’d write a candidate in.

If you want to pick up a Harris vote, look elsewhere.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 1 points 18 minutes ago (1 children)

But you're publicly advocating for others to drop their support of Harris in favor of a third party.

Which is mathematically identical to telling people to vote for Trump. So I name thee a Trump supporter, because that's the only person who benefits from your actions.

[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 minutes ago

Where?

My top level reply is an attempt to get Green Party voters who are starting to not feel so good to switch over to psl.

Also it’s not mathematically identical because my third party vote isn’t counted for trump.

I’m kinda surprised you care. Your party has written us off, do you not agree with their decision?