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It has been said a gazillion times over the last few months, but is it getting through to those who need to hear it?

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[–] lunarul@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What the other person is saying is that you are splitting voters in three categories: pro-Trump, pro-Harris, anti-Trump. But that third group obviosuly doesn't like either of the two main candidates, not just Trump. And if forced to vote for one of them, there's no reason to assume all will pick Harris.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nope. Harris doesn't enter into it. There are two sides, Pro Trump and Anti Trump.

If you want Anti Trump to win, you have to pull behind one candidate. Splitting it 5 ways guarantees Anti Trump cannot win.

There is only one candidate who happens to be at the same level as Trump, the Democratic candidate.

Which means holding your nose and voting for Harris, failing to do so gets you Trump. You don't have to be Pro Harris at all, you just have to hate Trump more.

[–] lunarul@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Ok, I get what you are saying, but it sounds biased the way you're wording it. You could've just as well said Pro Harris and Anti Harris. Trump is the only one who can realistically beat Harris, so if you're Anti Harris you should vote Trump, even if you're not Pro Trump.

So yeah, if you're Anti Trump you should vote Harris and if you're Anti Harris you should vote Trump. If you're Anti both of them then tough luck because the electoral system in the US doesn't care about you. One of them will be president no matter what you do, so if you want any control over which one, then vote for one of them even if you hate both.

[–] juergen@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 month ago

Agreed.

Would it be nicer if we lived in a multi party system? Probably. Do we? No. Voting as though we are is not useful (maybe unless you live in a state that you are 100% certain can not be flipped).

If you hate one candidate even slightly less than the other, for example because the former has not yet stated that they want to punish colleges that allow pro Palestine demonstrations, vote for that first one.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Harris isn't the threat to the American system of government that Trump is.