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[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 42 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Over grip seems like a really great way to slice your hand open

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 93 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Swords that're meant to be able to be held with that kind of grip usually have an unsharpened bit for that purpose. Alternatively, if you're armored from head-to-toe, just make sure your gauntlets are on tight.

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I suppose the point of a longsword is less "wickedly sharp razor blade to slice and dice with precision" and more "wedge shaped heavy piece of metal to drop on people with the hope of finding a gap in their armour"

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago

If you want slicey-dicey, get a super-sharp katana or a saber. If you want fast and pokey, get a rapier. If you want a beating stick that's 80% sharp edge, grab a broadsword.

[–] alx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Swords historically have a ricasso. That’s the base part of the blade, and it generally isn’t sharpened, specifically to be able to use half-swording (having one hand on the grip and one on the blade). The hand on the blade is often at like 1/3 of the blade tho. It was used to stab into weak points of an armor with precision (since swords were pretty bad against armored foes). But also, half-swording is done by "pinching" the flat of the blade betweend the palm and the fingertips, in a way that prevents touching the sharpened thread. It isn’t shown on this (very historically accurate, if i may say so) image

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago

You can also turn it around and use it as a bonk hammer

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Why didn't we ever have something that is half grip/pole and half sword? Any disadvantages to that?

Edit: right, weight of the sword on the longer grip and can't really cut with it. What was i thinking?

[–] citrusface@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago

We do. It's called a Glaive, it's a polearm with a blade. Or if you mean like more 50/50 grip/sword - the Nodachi would be what you are looking for.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Swordstaff says hi! As do nagamaki! Usually, though, it's that half-and-half is generally a bad ratio. If you can grip the sword along the blade, then why is the longer grip needed? You've got a multi-purpose grip right there in your armored hands.

Alternatively, if you have a long grip, why do you need the extra weight of a long blade? That extra weight would make any potential slashing motions unwieldy, so generally a shorter blade is preferred.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oh, then you mean a naginata. Or a glaive. (The non-Krull kind.) A single-edged polearm.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

Exactly, thanks.

[–] SeramisV@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 days ago

You could cut yourself if you're not carefull, but if you do it the right way you don't risk that much.

The proper way to grab the blade of your sword, be it for half-swording as shown in the meme or to go for a mordslag, would be to put the bottom of your palm on the flat of the blade, and then wrap your fingers around the edge without touching, and holding the other side of the blade with just your fingertips. This way there is actually a space between the edge, and your hand.

You could even test this method with a kitchen knife if you want to. You'll be surprised by how actually stable this grip is.

Additionaly, even in case of "naked" combat, people often uses leather gloves which do in fact provide a fair bit of protection against accidental cuts.