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Here's one to go get angry about, the Jordan Peterson crowd saying "Communism is slavery to the state".
https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/1fli6xc/socialists_hate_capitalism_because_they_dont/lo3xkyb/
I mean, the argument that communism is slavery to the state is a real and valid argument as of 2024.
It's not like capitalism is any less a form of slavery, except instead of stealing from everybody to give to everybody it steals from everybody and gives it all to insurance companies and other businesses benefiting oligarchs. The whole system is slavery under another name, work for the luxury of having a place to sleep at night so that your owner can live a comfortable life. Slavery to many masters who use your body for their gains.
There's not going to be a system that you're not a slave to though, unless we somehow find a way to trivially convert matter to energy and vice versa and build a utopia where machines do everything for us... and we all share the rewards. All hail science fiction communism? (and keep in mind science fiction keeps becoming reality! Just don't hold your breath for this in our lifetimes.)
It's bold to assume communists give to everybody, or basically anybody.
—someone from the Eastern Bloc
We’ve never had real communism.
I don’t think human nature will allow for true communism at scale. Like all political organizations beyond a handful of people, corruption is de facto present and completely at odds with the theory.
People can swear up and down that it’s doable but I truly don’t think it could ever be by humans. We are too selfish.
Communism is, by definition, stateless. No, that's not a valid argument and never was.
That ML groups work that way tells a lot about ML, not communism.