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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yours is the old, tired shit. I see you trying to shift the rhetorical focus. "Genocide is bad, so now shift to denying the genocide, or at least justifying it." If Israel is justified, then this issue just evaporates! Right? Except the whole world knows that Israel is unjustified-- not just in this moment of slaughter, but for many years before as well. Peruse the decades of UN votes where only the US defended Israel's crimes.

Yes, there are many Zionist Jews in the US, and there are also many Jews in the US that are horrified by Israel's destruction of Gaza. I have marched with some in support of Palestinian lives. Are there more Zionist or non-zionist Jewish votes to be had in the US? I honestly do not know. On the one hand, that is a political consideration, but it is also a cynical one. People should look to their leaders to defend just principles.

Your fantasy of Russia moving to replace the US as Israel's patron is... wild.

[–] jhymesba@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And you miss my point entirely. To be clear:

Democrats being mass murderers, or even supporting mass murder, is the old, tired bullshit I was calling out.

It's not true, and I don't know how much clearer I can make that to you and your ilk. Your choice to support third parties because you believe this bullshit will get people I care about far more than Israelis and Palestinians killed because the fucking Republicans will win and dial up everything you say is bad about Democrats to fucking 11 and not only kill the people you claim to care about but also fucking kill the people I care about in this world. I'm not the only one that thinks this, which is why you get so much pushback here. I hope the strong language and the note about my Black Bisexual Pagan Goth Wife all the BS artists pushing 'pick Third Party to check Genocidal ~~Joe~~Kamala' are putting into the line of fire will get through to you. This choice you're advocating here is gonna get my wife killed, and I'm not going to meekly stand by quietly while you push this nonsense!