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Average tankie calling for the genocide of the working class for being the wrong ethnicity
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I'm not the one getting self righteous about a country whose government has vowed to exterminate the Jewish state.
Surely you're aware of what "from the river to the sea" would entail?
It would entail people of more than one religion living together and sharing a nation as equals. The horror!
"From the river to the sea" is an antisemitic genocidal slogan. Please edit your comment to acknowledge this.
From your source:
It's certainly not as clear-cut as your first sentence, and I'll remind you that the only agent currently committing genocide in this conflict is the IDF/Likud (who incidentally have used the same wording, in their 1977 manifesto: "Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.")
So no, I won't be editing my comment, because I do not acknowledge your falsehood.
It's in Hamas's charter.
As well as the Likud manifesto, you say?
Yes. But surely you're aware that the meaning of terminology and phrases change depending on the context?
Hamas' charter has a call to genocide Jews globally, and it also includes From the River to the Sea in that call to genocide. It's hate speech and as such isn't allowed here.
You can't point out that the meaning of words and phrases changes due to context, and then claim that a phrase is hate speech everywhere because it appears in a hateful context in one place.
Okay, what do you think it means?
Since currently, it's officially used by Hamas to call to genocide Israel.
It means that Israel should stop committing war crimes. Specifically that Palestinians should be free, and not caged, oppressed and in perpetual fear for their lives in the geographic area which lies between the Jordan and the Mediterranean. The subject of the phrase is Palestinians; Israelis aren't mentioned, let alone Jews. It's not about oppression for your group, it's about freedom for another. This is evidenced by the complete lack of references to Jews or genocide in the phrase itself. It's very, very basic reading comprehension without any mental gymnastics necessary.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/slogan-river-sea-palestine-will-be-free
https://apnews.com/article/river-sea-israel-gaza-hamas-protests-d7abbd756f481fe50b6fa5c0b907cd49
https://ejpress.org/spanish-deputy-prime-minister-declares-that-palestine-will-be-free-uses-from-the-river-to-the-sea-antisemitic-slogan/
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1699528989-berlin-criminalizes-slogan-from-the-river-to-the-sea-palestine-will-be-free
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/irans-raisi-the-only-solution-is-a-palestinian-state-from-the-river-to-the-sea/#:~:text=Iranian%20President%20Ibrahim%20Raisi%20tells,%E2%80%9Criver%20to%20the%20sea.%E2%80%9D
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So tell me. How does "From the river to the sea", which is followed in the same sentences as rejection of zionists, somehow entail people of more than one religion living together? Even though they already do in Israel, which allows other religions, as opposed to Palestine, where belief in different religions equals the death penalty.
Regardless, it is a call to genocide and antisemitic hate speech no matter which way you try to justify it—final warning as to the rules: hate speech is not allowed.
I think we both know that's not what they mean.
Who's "they"?
Yeah, calling out someone for a 5 million person wide brush is not self righteous.