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[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yes. But surely you're aware that the meaning of terminology and phrases change depending on the context?

Hamas' charter has a call to genocide Jews globally, and it also includes From the River to the Sea in that call to genocide. It's hate speech and as such isn't allowed here.

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can't point out that the meaning of words and phrases changes due to context, and then claim that a phrase is hate speech everywhere because it appears in a hateful context in one place.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Okay, what do you think it means?

Since currently, it's officially used by Hamas to call to genocide Israel.

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It means that Israel should stop committing war crimes. Specifically that Palestinians should be free, and not caged, oppressed and in perpetual fear for their lives in the geographic area which lies between the Jordan and the Mediterranean. The subject of the phrase is Palestinians; Israelis aren't mentioned, let alone Jews. It's not about oppression for your group, it's about freedom for another. This is evidenced by the complete lack of references to Jews or genocide in the phrase itself. It's very, very basic reading comprehension without any mental gymnastics necessary.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/slogan-river-sea-palestine-will-be-free

https://apnews.com/article/river-sea-israel-gaza-hamas-protests-d7abbd756f481fe50b6fa5c0b907cd49

https://ejpress.org/spanish-deputy-prime-minister-declares-that-palestine-will-be-free-uses-from-the-river-to-the-sea-antisemitic-slogan/

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1699528989-berlin-criminalizes-slogan-from-the-river-to-the-sea-palestine-will-be-free

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/irans-raisi-the-only-solution-is-a-palestinian-state-from-the-river-to-the-sea/#:~:text=Iranian%20President%20Ibrahim%20Raisi%20tells,%E2%80%9Criver%20to%20the%20sea.%E2%80%9D

You originally said

It would entail people of more than one religion living together and sharing a nation as equals. The horror!

So tell me. How does "From the river to the sea", which is followed in the same sentences as rejection of zionists, somehow entail people of more than one religion living together? Even though they already do in Israel, which allows other religions, as opposed to Palestine, where belief in different religions equals the death penalty.

Regardless, it is a call to genocide and antisemitic hate speech no matter which way you try to justify it—final warning as to the rules: hate speech is not allowed.