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This question shows that people can have differing standards of cleanliness and it's OK. Because the answer is "would you spray your arm with water only or would you use soap?" Bidets don't use soap, so with either bidet or paper you can still feel dirty until a shower, it's just what level of dirty you're willing to accept.
Bidets don’t use soap? Well, I use soap on every use, what kind of bidet instructions do you follow up? Sponge and hands, a bidet is like a mini shower in your groins without a full body implication, is just a washbasin at a convenient height… don’t you wash your hands and your face in the morning with soap in the washbasin?
EDIT: Probably we imply different things for “bidet”, I got South European one in mind…
Fallacy of relative privation. Red herring. Some other fallacy maybe. But a fallacy none the less.
Also, people with bidets still take showers so we may not use soap all the time but they we still do. A guy I used to play football with would never use a bidet nor wash his ass with soap cause a man's finger near an ass is gay even if it's his ass and finger
Either way you're being a jerk
No idea what you're trying to say. Generally all people (whether bidet or paper users) use soap when taking a shower, but virtually no one uses it on their ass in the bathroom. Ergo you're "dirty" until the shower. For you a bidet feels clean and paper users are dirty. For a "neat freak" they have to immediately wash their ass with soap and non-soap bidet users are dirty.
People have different preferences and it's not a logical fallacy.
Most people use toilet paper > Bidet users says hey this is a better way > Toilet paper users (and you for some reason) say well you're not using soap so it's not actually clean so why use one.
You're arguing something that wasn't in the original argument, that makes it a fallacy.
Also, if they made a Bidet with soap I would use it but they don't. So until there us soap use the water.
The original argument (question) was "would you use water or paper to clean shit off your arm" and the answer for most people is "definitely neither water or paper alone, soap needs to be in there somewhere". Limiting it to either water or paper only is a binary fallacy.
What if someone criticized you for not using soap with a bidet? That's what bidet advocates are doing for paper users. My point was that people have different standards and that's not a bad thing. This made me a "jerk" to you for some reason.
For the record I've used bidets and they're fine (although some people probably feel that public bidets are kind of gross when compared to paper), but the cleanliness factor is pretty close in most situations IMO. It's not like I was advocating for not washing your ass for a week or something.
The original posed the question as if those are the only two options. Because, since there are no bidets that also shoot soap (at least not that I've seen anywhere), those are the only two options.
Then coming in and saying yeah well what about soap is irrelevant. Making it a fallacy. It's as if two people were arguing if salt or pepper is better to use on cooking food and then you came in and said yeah well there's actually a lot of seasonings you can use instead of just salt and pepper. Great, we know that but that's not what we were arguing as we only have salt and pepper.
How much are you getting paid, shill?
It's commission based
So if you had no soap available and shit on your arm, what would you use? Only paper? Or water? Your argument is fucking stupid. Of course people have different standards of cleanliness but the guy who doesnt clean his ass at all also has a different standard of cleanliness, and his standard is fucking disgusting.
So paper only is the equivalent to not cleaning your ass? You're exaggerating-- I wasn't advocating not washing your ass for a week.
Yes. When I'm away from my bidet for too long and have to continually use just paper I feel dirty until I shower. I still like taking a lot of showers even with the bidet but I'll jump at the opportunity without one
Then maybe the answer could be something like a car wash machine: first pass with soap and then only water.
Honestly I would love that.