No idea what you're trying to say. Generally all people (whether bidet or paper users) use soap when taking a shower, but virtually no one uses it on their ass in the bathroom. Ergo you're "dirty" until the shower. For you a bidet feels clean and paper users are dirty. For a "neat freak" they have to immediately wash their ass with soap and non-soap bidet users are dirty.

People have different preferences and it's not a logical fallacy.

[–] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Most people use toilet paper > Bidet users says hey this is a better way > Toilet paper users (and you for some reason) say well you're not using soap so it's not actually clean so why use one.

You're arguing something that wasn't in the original argument, that makes it a fallacy.

Also, if they made a Bidet with soap I would use it but they don't. So until there us soap use the water.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The original argument (question) was "would you use water or paper to clean shit off your arm" and the answer for most people is "definitely neither water or paper alone, soap needs to be in there somewhere". Limiting it to either water or paper only is a binary fallacy.

What if someone criticized you for not using soap with a bidet? That's what bidet advocates are doing for paper users. My point was that people have different standards and that's not a bad thing. This made me a "jerk" to you for some reason.

For the record I've used bidets and they're fine (although some people probably feel that public bidets are kind of gross when compared to paper), but the cleanliness factor is pretty close in most situations IMO. It's not like I was advocating for not washing your ass for a week or something.

[–] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The original posed the question as if those are the only two options. Because, since there are no bidets that also shoot soap (at least not that I've seen anywhere), those are the only two options.

Then coming in and saying yeah well what about soap is irrelevant. Making it a fallacy. It's as if two people were arguing if salt or pepper is better to use on cooking food and then you came in and said yeah well there's actually a lot of seasonings you can use instead of just salt and pepper. Great, we know that but that's not what we were arguing as we only have salt and pepper.

[–] PaellaVacuum@reddeet.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How much are you getting paid, shill?

[–] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

It's commission based

[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So if you had no soap available and shit on your arm, what would you use? Only paper? Or water? Your argument is fucking stupid. Of course people have different standards of cleanliness but the guy who doesnt clean his ass at all also has a different standard of cleanliness, and his standard is fucking disgusting.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So paper only is the equivalent to not cleaning your ass? You're exaggerating-- I wasn't advocating not washing your ass for a week.

[–] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago

Yes. When I'm away from my bidet for too long and have to continually use just paper I feel dirty until I shower. I still like taking a lot of showers even with the bidet but I'll jump at the opportunity without one