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[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

With Trump the genocide will continue until all Palestinians in the Gaza strip are dead and the West Bank is annexed. With Harris we get a ceasefire.

I could not be more excited with the option to the stop the genocide.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

With Harris we get a ceasefire

What makes you think that will happen lol? I think someone here even counted the days it took from Biden dropping out to Harris answering the question over Gaza which was "We will continue to support Israel against foreign threats", ie the same policy as Biden.

She also ignored pretty much all of the protests that occurred at some of her campaign rallies, so I think it's safe to assume nothing will improve.

[–] Dearth@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Trump wants to deport protesters and arrest people who burn the American flag. Harris seems content with keeping the 1st amendment rights of America's roughly where it is right now.

Frankly I'd rather organize and mobilize under Harris than trump

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Harris met with the Uncommitted Movement. The Uncommitted Movement endorsed Harris in the speech they released to Mother Jones. Harris isn't a life long zionist like Biden. Harris picked Tim Walz over a zionist like Josh Shapiro for VP.

Supporting Israel against Iran doesn't mean allowing Israel to commit genocide in Gaza.

She already commented on the scale of the suffering in Gaza saying it was heartbreaking during the DNC.

It's safe to assume things will improve.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Harris met with the Uncommitted Movement. The Uncommitted Movement endorsed Harris in the speech they released to Mother Jones.

Yeah, and then she denied them from making said speech at the DNC rally.

An endorsement in a speech that never happened is practically moot, even the Mother Jones article makes this abundantly clear. If anything, this could easily backfire and keep the uncommitted movement from voting.

Supporting Israel against Iran doesn’t mean allowing Israel to commit genocide in Gaza.

Unconditionally sending weapons and continuing to give Israel a free pass, even with the antics they play with Iran, is not going to prevent the genocide.

She already commented on the scale of the suffering in Gaza saying it was heartbreaking during the DNC.

Any indication of the past 10 moths, if not the past several decades of relations with Israel, should show you this comment means jack shit. Biden said the same thing multiple times, and it took him 5 months until he quietly admitted Israel might have just possibly used weapons incorrectly and caused innocent deaths by mistake.

Playing up Gaza as a two sided humanitarian crisis, and then blocking anyone on the Palestinian side from talking about it, and then allowing some Israelis to talk about Hamas, is very clear message on her policy. She doesn't care, she never will.

Even pretending to make it seem like her campaign was interested was just a farce to gain voters and support. This was a massive "fuck you" from the campaign to the uncommitted movement and anyone involved who thought she would change her policy on Israel.

If SE Michigan was smart enough to figure out Hillary was a scumbag, they sure as hell aren't going to fall for a liar pretending to care about stopping an active genocide. That state is going to end up red this year.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago

We do not know why the Uncommitted Movement was denied a speaking slot or who the decision maker was. All we know is that the Uncommitted Movement got a no. Regardless of who made the decision or why, it was an unforced error from the Democrats.

An endorsement in a speech that never happened is practically moot, even the Mother Jones article makes this abundantly clear.

No where in the article does it say or imply anything to that effect. The Uncommitted Movement released the endorsement to the public. It counts. Especially since their goal was to contest Biden during the Democratic Party's primary election and not the general election. It's in their name. Uncommitted in Uncommitted Movement refers to marking the uncommitted option on certain states' primary ballots. So it doesn't matter that the DNC made a mistake in not airing the speech. The Uncommitted Movement has made their position known. They support Kamala Harris.

Let’s commit to each other, to electing Vice President Harris and defeating Donald Trump who uses my identity as a Palestinian as a slur.

Defending Israel from Iran doesn't have to be giving Israel more offensive weapons. It can just be restocking the iron dome and shooting down Iran's missiles and drones. Democrats are working to negotiate a ceasefire which is essential to stopping the genocide.

This is from the Harris campaign.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-official-explains-why-dnc-denied-a-speaking-spot-to-palestinian-american

What the group, or any people who continue to protest, will see is a president “who is committed to ending the violence, … making sure that we resolve this conflict with a permanent cease-fire that allows Israel to fully secure itself, that fully continues and make sure that we have a full humanitarian aid, but also make sure that Gazans are able to peacefully live and prosper in Gaza,” he said.

A commitment to defend Israel doesn't have to be an endorsement of genocide. The campaign is onboard with supporting Gaza. This is already a huge departure from Biden's rhetoric who would barely mention the Palestinians at all. Actual indications are that the next Democratic administration will be better on this issue and certainly better than the Republicans.

The Uncommitted Movement supports Kamala Harris because the Democrats are the best option for the Palestinian people. Kamala has made it clear she wants a ceasefire. Trump stated he's going to let Israel finish the job, ie finish the genocide. Anyone voting for Republicans or refusing to vote for Democrats either wants the genocide to continue or has been misled by people who do.