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Tim Walz is clearly a midwest ‘man’s man’. But he’s the antidote to toxic Maga masculinity
(www.independent.co.uk)
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What im confused about, as a non American, is how Tim seems to have overshadowed Harris. I heard about Tim way more than Harris. Is it sexist? Is it just that his more charismatic? I've never seen so much press about a vice president candidate before.
Based on their DNC speeches, Waltz is a much better public speaker than Harris.
it's also mere novelty, as harris has been the vice president for years now
I've literally never heard of Harris doing anything before being nominated. There's no comparison.
well, certainly, if all goes well the vice president isn't a particularly interesting position to talk about outside out of the country. it'd be like if we heard about germany's vice chancellor - the only reason we'd get that news in America is if something went very wrong
But we go back to my question then, is Harris really so boring that most news since he was nominated are about him, her name being mentioned in passing? Could be my bias, as I don't actively follow American politics on purpose.
As an American: delightfully yes. Harris and Walz are running on the promise of peace and being generally charming and charismatic in the way any other country might expect of a politician, in contrast to the memory of Trump spawning two or three new disasters a month
Here's to a boring 4 years then 🍻
may you live in boring times!
Traditionally the VP is the person that goes on the attack so the Presidential candidate can be above that... and be presidential.
Trump flipped it since he has nothing except for making childish attacks. But that's not actually the norm.
Social media has a tendency to elevate people going on the attack, so Walz doing the normal VP stuff is being elevated more than Harris is staying above it for the most part.
Was Harris on the attack during Biden's first campaign?
Sure. But Trump was kinda sucking all the air out of the room, so no one saw it.
It’s because he’s an Everyone’s ideal grandpa / father
It's because he's the most progressive politician to get within spitting distance of the Presidency since Al Gore.
America has daddy issues?
Yup. Having to constantly defer to dead slave masters because they're "founding fathers" and always wanting some old fuddy duddy as president.
There's a tendency towards political daddy issues everywhere, but the US is more extreme than most countries.
Walz seems to have more “progressive cred” than Harris does. Before Biden dropped out, I don’t think there was alot of enthusiasm for Harris (myself included), as she’s been a pretty lackluster VP, just really hasn’t done much of anything. Until recent times though, this was pretty par for the course for VPs, I don’t think anyone expected much from them, but in the last 20 years or so we’ve been having some “consequential” VPs (Cheney, Biden, Pence), so now she seemed like an under-achiever in comparison.
Walz is seemingly a real progressive who is a down-to-earth, folksy, midwestern Dad type, just a really upstanding guy, so I think the more activist elements of the Left are excited about him being on the ticket in a way they wouldn’t have been with just Harris. Though I don’t know that either has really taken a hard stand against Israel, so that doesn’t sit well with alot of folks.