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There's a difference between taking a stand that will harm themselves, and taking a stand that will harm everyone else as well while preventing others from taking a stand against them.
There is no harm free choice here.
Pledging to vote for someone despite the genocide means they have no incentive to stop the genocide. That is the more dangerous stance.
Ballots are secret. There is no way to prove how you voted once the ballot is sumbmitted. The optimal play is to make a lot of noise saying that your vote is contingent on an end to the genocide, even if that isn't how you actually vote on election day.
Pledging to vote for biden at this point is encouragement. Why would he do anything about palestine if he knows you're going to vote for him anyway?
You might be clever enough to walk that fine line, but the average voter is not. They hear "don't vote for Biden" and they believe you. Expecting to trick the president and not trick the millions of other people who need to vote against fascism for fascism not to happen, is impossible.
You're playing chicken with fascism. You're spreading fascist propaganda to voters while the DNC threatens the same and hoping the other one blinks first. But you and I have a lot more to lose from fascism than those rich white people do, and they're not going to blink. Your threats of fascism are going to come true.
They have no incentive either way. Either Biden wins and stays the course, or Trump wins and... well...
Bullshit, it's the least dangerous stance!
Those are your choices. Pretending that there's some choice other than voting for Biden that causes less harm is a DELUSIONAL LIE, end of!
Assume people make rational choices. When a president is elected, especially for a 2nd term, then they have little to no incentive to actually listen to the voters. It fucking sucks, but that is how the system works. Election time is literally the only time we can push meaningful change.
When election day comes, I think people we rationally understand that Trump is a greater danger both to Palastine and to the trans community and vote accordingly.
If I agree that there is no value in not voting, then I feel you should be able to recognize that there is value in SAYING you are not voting. To me, it's far more likely that the people in that community know this fact instead of somehow not recognizing the danger of Trump.
Why? I don't think people have earned that much faith. People elected Trump in 2016 and I think they might well do it again.
And do you think those are the same people are on blahaj? That support palastine enough to protest? Do you really think its more likely those people will just stand by and let the situation get worse under Trump?
The ones who are more on the left are exactly the ones who are less inclined to vote, so yes.
The number of far leftist that didn't vote in some form of protest, is absolutely miniscule compared to the number of Republicans that did vote for Trump.
You're mad at the wrong group. These people are not any legitimate threat to Biden electability. I understand the fear, nihilism and anger at the possibility of another Trump term, I'm feeling all that too, but this topic just doesn't seem like a productive place to put energy. Between the electoral college and gerrymandering, where voting blue quite literally will do nothing. Like myself, I live in a deep blue state. I'm going to vote for Biden, but my girlfriend is not. In partiality, neither of these choices matter because we know for a fact the state is going blue just like it has for decades.
So a couple hundred people saying they won't vote, and a percentage of them actually will vote, shouldn't be something to be worked up about or a community that needs to be banned.
Idk. You do you. But this just seems like an unhealthy outlet for healthy frustration.
The open conservatives aren't the ones posting on Blahaj and telling trans people to vote for our own genocide. I'm never going to convince a Truth Social user that Trump is a lying rapist criminal traitor to his country. But it should be possible to remove those kinds of posts from an instance that is supposed to be trans friendly.
The instance IS trans friendly. The people in the community are protesting a seperate genocide with the few tools available to them. It's not fair to look past republicans taking active action to yell at others inaction solely because you feel the later should be easy.
For example, I'm vegan. I feel it should be easier for me to convince trans folk to be vegan since our community is all about bodily autonomy. But it's unsupringly not, and yelling at them for my perceived hypocrisy is far far less productive than talking to someone who hasn't been exposed to the concept in a rational logical way.
Perceiving hypocrisy in others and wishing it was easier to convince other to see as you is common, but it doesn't change minds. The convincing process is always slow and difficult. Is your time best spent on someone likely to come around to your view anyways? Or is it better spent exposing a naive republican in a media bubble that we are not the stereotype he has been led to believe? Trans genocide is happening, but think strategically, focus on convincing the victimizers, not the victims.
I understand your frustration and anger, and I'm trying to help you find peace with the fact that others will always disagree with you. But that disagreement does not become a justification to silence others in our own community.