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AOC speech at the 2024 Democratic National Convention

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[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

There’s nothing holding her back from being a great speaker like Obama. She needs more time and practice to develop her skills further to get to that next level. And maybe a better speechwriter.

I’m definitely a fan of hers, but felt that this could have been executed better. She did not have a lot of vocal variation and came out blazing fairly early on in the speech. Not going to rewatch it, but that was my perspective from last night. At one point I was like whoa Kimberly Guilfoyle, take it down a notch.

I do understand the need to be angry but it’s much more impactful when vocal variation, pitch, tone and volume are employed more effectively to build toward the anger.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

With respect I tend to disagree. I and many others felt she delivered one of the best speeches of the evening, both on substance and in delivery. She delivered fire and excitement, was one of the few speakers who actually kept their cadence on pace; her speech had a clear beginning, middle, and end, and she utilized body language effectively. For her sort of debut in the national spotlight, she knocked it out of the park.

[–] SuperCub@sh.itjust.works -4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You mean her practiced body language? It was pretty unnatural and sometimes her timing was off which especially gave it away as a performative act.

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes thank you. It didn’t read as natural - that’s the word.

It’s disheartening that one can’t disagree on this topic without being eaten alive. I’m not saying elect Donald Trump and the couchfucker or anything ffs. Plus, I’m Canadian - so probably more left leaning than any US Dem - and as I’ve expressed, I really want the US to get their shit together.

I’ve done Toastmasters. I’m a writer for a living. I know how to give feedback on speeches. I also acknowledged that not every speech is received the same way by every viewer.

I’m not even saying she’s bad - I’m just saying she could be GREAT with more practice. I don’t understand why this is a shocking thing to say.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m Canadian - so probably more left leaning than any US Dem

Do you think American Democrats are all just Joe Biden clones at various ages? Canada both isn't an incredibly left-leaning country (we're not talking about a European social democracy) and both the US and Canada are a political spectrum. Just being Canadian doesn't mean you're a super leftist in the context of the US.

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Our parties are more left leaning than US ones, yeah. So the left-most leaning party, the NDP is the Bernies and AOCs. Just slightly to the right of them but not by much are the centre-left (some could argue centre, for Canada) Liberals aka US Dems but these are still left of the US Dems. Then you have the Conservatives who used to be centre right but they’re really flirting with being firmly right which is STILL to the left of the US Repubs. So yeah, we’re pretty left.

Here’s a good breakdown someone wrote on the other site:

There's a Daily Show from back in the Stewart days when Harper's Conservatives won the federal election in Canada. The line went something like:

"Right wing parties are winning everywhere! In Canada, the Conservative Party, or as we'd know it here, the Gay Rainbow Alliance, has won their election."

If that gives you any idea.

The NDP are mostly in-line with the further left of the Dems, but realistically, the Liberals are only slightly more towards the centre than them. The Conservatives are historically right of centre, but still left of most of the American center. That was largely true before the Progressive Conservatives failed, merged with the Reform party, and became the Conservative Party of Canada.

That said, the Conservative parties have been moving further right in recent years. Some of this was because their supporters were generally finance, oil, large corporations, etc., so the policies they pushed forward were usually beneficial to them. But more recently they've been pursuing a lighter version of US-style populism. Mostly though, their platform for the past 3 leaders seems to be "aren't you sick of Trudeau yet?" because they don't have much substance in anything else they claim to support.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 weeks ago

None of this is relevant to whether you, as a Canadian, are inherently leftier than "any US Dem".

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Sure? I mean this isn't Juilliard. I'm not expecting perfection, but relative to historical baseline for convention speeches it was fantastic.

[–] r9seng@lemm.ee -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It feels like there's a bit of gender stereotyping going on here.

Her speech was fine without your desire for her to be less intense.

[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Nope, just saying what makes an impactful speech to me 🤷‍♀️

I’m allowed to disagree about the speech.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

You will be assimilated, resistance is futile. 😋