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[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Have I ever claimed she was paid by the Russians? This is you trolling, saying I am saying something that I have never said.

Also, you cannot say she was not contacted by Russia when she was inside of Russia. Russia is full of Russians, as I imagine you knew.

You cannot dispute basic facts, but you can make up lies like "she was never contacted by Russia" when she very provably went to Russia and sat with their leader.

Have I asked you to change your vote? Or do I simply like facts being straight?

edit: Oh, and she never actually complied with that investigation, by the way. I forgot that detail.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/30/politics/jill-stein-russia-documents-senate-request/index.html

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Have I ever claimed she was paid by the Russians? This is you trolling, saying I am saying something that I have never said.

Oh ok, so you DON'T believe she is being paid by the Russians then? Right?

And again, stop accusing me of trolling. We have had this conversation. If you say I am "a troll" or that I am "trolling" again, I will report you to the mods.

It is a baseless accusation and you and I have already had this conversation.

Stop.

but you can make up lies like “she was never contacted by Russia” when she very provably went to Russia and sat with their leader.

I mean, contact as in they didn't contact her to pay her to run against trump.

Yet again: https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-ties-vladimir-putin-explained-1842620

Have I asked you to change your vote?

Didn't say you wanted me to change my vote. Because you DO support me voting for whoever I wish, right?

Not changing my vote.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can report me as much as pleases you, that is fine, but it is absolutely a common trolling tactic when you make claims for me that I have not made, just so you can argue against them. It's dishonest and unconducive to healthy conversation, and a very common tactic of practiced trolls. So, report away.

Oh, so it's contact her to pay her to run now? How convenient, you certainly didn't explain anything like that earlier. And you call me the conspiracist?

Let's review the basic facts: Jill Stein attended Putin's gala for his propaganda network. She sat at his table. She did not cooperate with the Senate Intelligence Committee investigation. She neglects to criticize Russia, either on their climate policies or the invasion of Ukraine. Russia assists her by working to funnel votes for her.

Against these facts, all you have is her campaign statement about a speech regarding "peace", to a dictator that had already been helping Assad in Syria wage war on his own people, and a Senate investigation she did not cooperate with.

No, I have not told you to change your vote, the only one bringing up you changing your vote is you, pretty much every time it seems. This trolly attitude becomes tiresome, but I'm afraid I'm not going to let you continue to muddle facts.

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can report me as much as pleases you, that is fine, but it is absolutely a common trolling tactic when you make claims for me that I have not made, just so you can argue against them.

Just because some trolls does that, doesn't mean I am a troll.

Dude, we have had this conversation, both in public and private. Remember when we agreed to be more civil about this.

You have to stop accusing me of being a troll. You have ZERO PROOF, and I have proven to you many many times in my comments and my post history that I am not a troll.

Stop accusing me of being a troll, and keep the comments civil.

Accusing me of being a troll is against the subs rules. You have already had comments removed for calling me a troll. And now you are doing it again. Are you trying to get banned or something?

Just stop. Block me, and move on.

Let’s review the basic facts: Jill Stein attended Putin’s gala for his propaganda network. She sat at his table. She did not cooperate with the Senate Intelligence Committee investigation. She neglects to criticize Russia, either on their climate policies or the invasion of Ukraine. Russia assists her by working to funnel votes for her.

We have talked about this several times. I don't believe that she is paid for by russia? Ok? Let it go.

No, I have not told you to change your vote, the only one bringing up you changing your vote is you, pretty much every time it seems.

So you support and respect my right to vote for whoever I please. Right?

I don't want to report you again. But if you call me a troll again, I will, and I'll ask that they view all the times you have done it. They banned another user from this community for doing that.

Do you really wanna get banned from a community just because you wouldn't stop calling a person a troll. Is that your end game here? I don't get it.

Block me, move on, and/or accept it. I'm voting for JIll Stein. And you support and respect my right to do that, right? Ok, then move on.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You have proven nothing except that you are willing to engage in dishonesty and have a large amount of free time on your hands.

If my comments trouble you, and you believe they break the rules, then you should probably report me. I'm afraid you're not going to find much success by threatening me though.

There you go again, all you have left is "paid by Russia", despite, again, me never accusing her of being paid by Russia. Despite me clearly saying that just one post ago, you simply repeat it. This is a classic logical fallacy known as a stawman argument, and when done intentionally, clearly a trolling activity.

Vote for whatever you want, but if you try to muddle facts, I'll be here to call you out.

[–] UniversalMonk@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Vote for whatever you want, but if you try to muddle facts, I’ll be here to call you out.

I haven't muddled anything. You have your opinion. I have mine.

Please keep any further comments civil. And we will never have a private discussion again, so you can stop DM'ing as well.

And not only that, but the article is now out of date, because the commission decided to keep Jill Stein on the ballot.

Your change in attitude and tone regarding your public comments to me vs your private comments to me is disappointing.

I no longer want to have any further discussions with you, and I will no longer reply to any of your comments. Thank you.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Yes, you most definitely muddle facts by continuing to reframe the conversation as Jill Stein being paid by Russians after being roundly crushed when you repeatedly try to claim she was never contacted by Russia.

Uh, you DMed me. lol

I'm being quite civil, and pretty exhaustively patient even. Identifying logical fallacies and trolling is not uncivil.

I'm sorry for being so disappointing I guess, but if you stick to factuality instead of making up blatant lies then we shall have no issues. This will be regardless of the topic you are posting under, so long as it is within this or other news communities I participate in. Any overt trolling you engage in that I see will be called out, regardless of how voluminously you complain about it or claim you've "proved" otherwise.