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I consider myself to be the kind of person who can quite easily imagine myself in someone else's place. I don't know if I'm actually any better at it than the average person, but judging by the comment sections on social media and the conversations I've had with other people, I really struggle to get angry at strangers like many others do, even for things that anger is an appropriate reaction to.

This doesn't necessarily mean that I don't condemn their behavior, but that it doesn't provoke a particularly negative emotional reaction from me. I observe the world from a distance, and when I see someone acting differently, I generally can come up with a charitable story about why they act that way. While it doesn't usually justify the behavior, it at least helps me imagine why they're like that and reminds me that if I were in their shoes, I'd likely do the same thing.

This applies to cheating, violence, racism... Name a bad behavior, and I can come up with a story about what a person might be telling themselves to justify it. However, littering is something I simply cannot comprehend. I cannot wrap my mind around what a person is thinking when they're throwing trash on the ground for someone else to pick up. If it's something "minor" like a cigarette butt, then okay, I can somewhat understand, but tossing your McDonald's takeout bag onto the side of the road is completely psychopathic behavior to me. I don't think even the worst people in the world think of themselves as "bad" because they rationalize their behavior somehow. But if you throw trash into nature, you must know you're being a massive jerk.

Tl;dr: I want to hear the best justification for littering.

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[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Just to clear up any confusion - you can understand violence and racism, but not littering?

And if I do understand correctly, maybe it’s because that’s how their parents were, so they honestly just don’t think about it. My parents were the complete opposite so I abhor it, but I’ve known folks who don’t think twice. We’re still friends, I just try to gently remind them.

I do not have any racist or violent actual friends friends though. Like, I don’t actively pursue their company.

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

you can understand violence and racism, but not littering?

Yeah. I can imagine what a racist would say if I confronted them about it. They always have a reason for thinking that way and to them that reason seems valid. I can't imagine what such justification a litterbug would have other than "I just don't give a shit" so in other words; they know they're in the wrong and simply don't care.

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

It goes both ways. Not all racists have the legitimate ignorance excuse - many just want a convenient excuse to have an “other” to blame their problems on so that they don’t have to take responsibility for their own failures in life.

In a way littering is similar - some folks just don’t give a fuck, others were raised not to think twice about it and so they don’t. The second group can probably be educated though.

There are ignorant people in every group who can be reasoned with and realize they’re wrong, and change.

And there are malicious dickheads who just don’t give a fuck who their destructive behavior hurts in the process and will continue on their path to watch the world burn.

The issues themselves aren’t always the main qualifier.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

But isn't the justification/state of mind for all bad behavior "I don't give a shit"? If they gave a shit, they wouldn't be doing it.

The root justification for littering has already been said somewhere: someone has trash in their hands, they don't want trash in their hands because trash is disgusting to touch. It's annoying to keep carrying it around. Thus they open their hands.

[–] Crazyblu@lemmy.zip -3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I can imagine what a racist would say if I confronted them about it.

Yea cos usually rascist people have clean and thought reasons to hate people that they never met.