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Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.
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Overshoot day should never be in the same year. It is scary if you understand it.
I remind you that this is c/collapse. In this venue I think the idea that our species is using up the world's resources at 1.7 times the rate that would be sustainable counts as optimism.
I'm saying that even x1.0 is too much. We should be leaving a lot of slack.
Midnight last day of December means indefinitely sustainable, without further degradation. This doesn't mean entirely withot alteration, since even early hunter-gatherers made several megafauna species extinct.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Pleistocene_extinctions
Net zero is optimistic. The world isn't constant, there are catastrophes even without our doing.