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And even then UBI is just another form of maintaining this "unemployed reserve army". Guaranteed jobs for every citizen capable and desiring to work, on exchange for a living wage, would automatically eliminate the people's need to stay at shitty jobs or accepting shitty wages, since they can't be easily replaced; it would increase production of goods and services much more than UBI, therefore tackling possible inflationary tendencies... It's really a much better patch to capitalism than UBI
How does guaranteeing jobs make people any less replaceable?
Also we have a crises of bs jobs. UBI would help lower it a lot. Guaranteed jobs would make it ten times worse
Because there's constantly a labor shortage instead of a pool of millions of unemployed people
Why would guaranteed jobs make it worse? Guaranteed jobs could be decided upon (at the very least partially) by local neighborhood councils. Care for children and for old people, cleaning the streets, building new housing... Even if 50% of jobs created were "redundant" (which is impossible), that's still 50% of actual useful labor compared to 0% of UBI
You're just describing communism at this point. We're looking for practical solutions
Practical solutions like the ones we've been failing to implement for the past 50 years of erosion of labor rights and welfare state all over the western world?
UBI hasn't been tried on large scale anywhere. In small scales it's been successful
Exactly my point, it hasn't been implemented anywhere because capital will fight tooth and nail against it, and they're, well, the owning class, so they have plenty of power. My point is we can't reform our way into solving social and economic justice and fixing climate change