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[–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is a tragedy, but similar to the invasion of Ukraine with Isreal being Russia.

[–] idoubledo@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hamas's missiles directed towards Israeli civilians and you choose to compare Israel to Russia. Your propoganda is showing...

[–] Poteryashka@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you consider Hamas the aggressor in the overall context of the Israel- Palestinian conflict?

[–] homoludens@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do you think only one side can be responsible in a conflict?

[–] gaael@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sometimes yes. I know very little about the Israelo-palestinian confilct (only what I read from news outlet) so I can't say anything for sure here.

But more generally, in history, there have been plenty of conflicts that were one side's responsability: Ukraine's invasion, WW2, colonie's independance "wars"... IMO, when you defend yourself from an agression, you are not responsible for the conflict.

In this case, I tend to agree with other commentors - Israel seems to have been increasingly oppressive and brutal at least in the past 2 decades, and you can only push people so far before they react.

[–] homoludens@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Sometimes yes.

No one is denying that.

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Colonizers are always responsible for any violence that follows.

[–] homoludens@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So if Native Americans fired rockets on e.g. Corpus Christi, Texas, they would have no responsibility at all for this action?

I am not denying the responsibility of "the colonizers", I think other people can also have some responsibility.

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They'd be justified.

The point is to not condemn the oppressed without regard for their oppression.

[–] homoludens@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Where in this thread did someone "condemn the oppressed without regard for their oppression"?

[–] Zippit@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Wow, no one is going to mention what Israel is doing to these people? I don't agree with terrorists, but the replies should be more nuanced than 'bad Palestines'.

In my eyes, as an outsider following the news, Israel has pushed Palestinians to the brink by killing Palestine civilians, seizing more of their land AGAIN and having a dictator for a president that just changed the constitution..

If you take people's land, your military kills children, films and laughs about it, push them into poverty, and then come for their homes... Sometimes this is the only way to say 'enough'.

[–] homoludens@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

I think the tragedy is that this goes both ways: if a group of people that just escaped a genocide, gets attacked by all its neighboring countries as soon as they have a state of their own, are explicitly threatened with extinction and are attacked over and over again by military actions and terrorist attacks... sometimes people will try to assert absolute dominance in order to try to ensure their own physical safety above everything else.

Note: I am very much not justifying any of the above. I just think that it's not very surprising that people act this way, and that Hamas & Co of course know this - just as the Israeli government & Co know how people react to their actions. In my opinion neither the Israeli government (and orthodox settlers etc.) nor the Hamas (and similar groups) are honestly trying to unfuck the situation.