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Yeah I’m German and imo it’s totally xenophobia and with darker looking people a race issue, that’s why I said that they use the same rhetoric against Syrians and Ukrainians that they used against German refugees back in the day and against Spanish, Italian, Polish, Turkish people in the 60s/70s and against Russians and Yugoslavian people in the 90s.

I actually have some Syrian friends because I helped them in 2015 when the influx was peaking, and many of them are honestly just normal people who came here to work, go to school or study, party, check out Tinder and stuff. There were also some crazies that I stayed far away from but that doesn’t surprise me if people seek shelter from a warzone.

I think especially the more conservative type of people were a bit shocked by some aspects of German society and they tended to stick rather to themselves but they’re also the kind of people who wanted to start working immediately because in a conservative family the man has to provide. Some are also just lazy and don’t want to do anything but not more than my German friends from what I saw.

Syrian, Lebanese, Palestinian society are for middle eastern standards pretty liberal and especially Syria is very diverse in terms of ethnicity and religion from what I understood, so they’re not like Saudi Arabia or Taliban kind of horribly conservative. So stuff like wearing Burqas, or child marriage as horrible as it is is rather some racist stereotype than a problem that would hinder us from integrating refugees and benefiting from their labor. I think there were some cases where the bride and groom were teenagers and it was clashing with German law but iirc the media made it seem far worse than it was.

Sidenote they also told me that in Lebanon and sometimes Jordan they got treated like shit by the locals, so by now I’m pretty convinced that people are just xenophobic by default.

I personally would be happy about more refugees, because it’s the right thing to do and it has the positive side effect that they’re often willing to do shitty jobs that us Germans won’t do. I would have tons of examples for this apart from the bus. Stuff like old school German baking tradition is rapidly disappearing because no German is willing to get up at 4am anymore to have bread ready at 6am. If you need an electrician or other handyman it’s basically impossible because their books are filled for months ahead and they won’t come for small shit.

There’s a crazy labor shortage in low paying jobs and people are increasingly not willing to come to Germany because of all the racism, there was recently an article about Philippino nurses rather going to Saudi Arabia lol. So yeah, it’s frustrating.

There were millions of deceased and millions others murdered in the holocaust, so overpopulation wasn’t an issue after world war 2. The displaced in Germany were Germans, so culture wasn’t an issue. Yet, refugees were discriminated against with pretty much the same rhetoric that is currently used against Ukrainians and Syrians.

I live in Germany and I have a lot of problems:

• we already have water shortages due to climate change
• the heat waves are a new phenomenon and they’re unbearable because no one has an A/C and due to the housing crisis I can’t buy my own home where it would be worth to shell out thousands to install one
• the lack of digitalization in this country is crazy, I have to check my mailbox every day and many government tasks are still done by mail or fucking fax machine
• the already mentioned housing crisis makes it impossible to find affordable housing and if you find it you’re trapped there forever, I can’t even think of having kids because I know I won’t be able to find a 3 room flat
• public transportation in my place is already top notch for Germany and it still sucks, they had to reduce busses and metro because they can’t find enough drivers and they’re chronically underfunded. As a consequence you often have to go by car and be stuck in ridiculous traffic jams
• the pension system will collapse when all the boomers retire, there won’t be enough people to pay for their retirement, politicians know this but are completely ignoring it
• our infrastructure is rotting away and because of self-mandated austerity the state is incapable of making investments into our schools, roads, railways, hell even electricity grids
• for a developed country our internet speed is ridiculous because we’re still mostly relying on copper cables instead of fiber
• Our current governing parties are eroding our democracy through pushing mass surveillance, silencing the press and violently suppressing protests against climate change, genocide, etc. s.t. we don’t even need actual fascist parties to slide into a state of fascism

Asylum seekers and regular work migrants are not the problem, in a more pragmatic society they would be part of the solution. I have no negative impact in my daily live from some poor fuckers who are fleeing from warzones and crazy dictatorships but all of the above are affecting me constantly. Btw I don’t understand your remark about caucasians, can you explain what you mean with that?

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I honestly think that no matter what we’re doing the right would have a problem with migration because they want to go back to a white supremacist kind of society. We’re hearing the same shit how about Syrians and Ukrainians now that we heard in the 90s about Russian and Yugoslavian people, in the 60s/70s about Italian, Spanish, Polish, Turkish people and in the 40s/50s about German refugees.

To rescue the 4 hostages in return for almost 300 dead Palestinians and magnitudes more of wounded people.

Yeah The Guardian is basically Fox News /s

I find it incredibly lazy to make such a big statement and then not back it up with data, not even on request. But I checked myself and what I found does not back your statement at all. Maybe I’m looking at different numbers than you did and in that case I’d like to see yours but from what I see they let in roughly the same number of people for decades.

Regarding the cultural compatibility, again, they were saying the same thing about German refugees within Germany and they’re saying that right now in Poland about Ukrainians, and in Turkey about Syrians, hell even in Lebanon and Jordan about Syrians. So to get back about your initial point, I don’t think it has anything to do with middle eastern culture, it has to do with people being xenophobic in general and the media and politicians fueling that for their own benefit.

Lässt mich denken wir linken sollten auch anfangen uns mehr vorzubereiten. Ich fühle mich einigermaßen gut aufgestellt da ich früher Kampfsport gemacht habe und immer noch fit bin, aber es scheint dass das in Zukunft notwendig werden könnte. Ich wünsche mir es zwar nicht, aber auf die Polizei oder Politik kann man ja auch nicht unbedingt zählen.

Yeah I’m living in Berlin and I tried making some kind of very sad statistic of who harassed my girlfriend (it happens pretty much every time we go out in some way or another). The only common denominator is that all of the perpetrators are men. Catcalling, misogyny, actual physical harassment (luckily rare), it keeps happening. No matter the person's phenotype, no matter if in German, English or another language, no matter the age. It’s ridiculous to blame this all on migrants.

Absolutely agree, October 7 wasn’t the start of this. I think no one could have thought that the world would back the Israelis like this in their genocide. Like, western countries always had their back and the west has done horrible things e.g. in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan & Iraq.

Nevertheless I think it’s shocking to see that there are absolutely no red lines when it comes to Western geopolitical interests. You would think that there’d be at least some kind of basic sense of humanity, anything, but it simply doesn’t exist.

What do you mean with them „opening the flood gates“? I would be interested to see some data on that. AFAIK Canada has one of the strictest migration politics in the world.

In Germany we now have people whose grandparents have migrated to Germany, but they’re still not considered „true“ Germans just because of their names, looks and religion. Even though in the Americas they have their own racist things going on, the normal thing is that if you’re a citizen, people won’t doubt that you’re American.

The same isn’t true in European countries and as I said it didn’t actually matter where people were from, German society was incredibly hostile towards German refugees after the 2nd world war, where there was little need to integrate or learn the language, yet the rhetoric was surprisingly similar to that about e.g. Syrians today.

In anderen Quellen die allerdings aus der Zeit vor der Legalisierung stammen habe ich leider auch gelesen, dass die Polizei die Info an die Führerscheinstelle weitergeben muss und diese eine MPU anordnen kann, egal in welchem Zustand man Auto gefahren ist. Ich denke die Lage ist weiterhin ziemlich unübersichtlich und irgendwie nicht optimal egal von welcher Seite man es betrachtet :/

Gut dass ich in Berlin lebe. Wobei es etwas komisch ist, die CDU will jetzt irgendwelche Bußgelder einführen wo kiffen selbst vor der Legalisierung von der Polizei immer völlig ignoriert wurde.