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I'd settle for welcoming leftists as enthusiastically as welcoming Republicans, which should be a no-brainer, but here we are.

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shoutcasts…

Shoutcast was probably the coolest thing I ever ran on my little P75 I have to admit. I thought it was damn amazing. Can we talk about iomega zip drives and the click of death now too!!? (Kinda enjoying the nostalgia...)

Every one of these Microsoft controversies since I ditched them has just validated my decision.

Did you skip the second and third words and entire second sentence of that comment, or what?

“A considerable number of netizens..."

1996 called...

I can't argue with that, but I still take exception to the idea that only advanced users should be willing/able/unafraid to use the CLI. (not that I'm suggesting that you personally are pushing that viewpoint)

When you click a button, you have to read and interpret the label on that button, then hope the person who programmed it actually did program it to do what it is labeled to suggest, and sometimes even well meaning devs make this ambiguous. Plus, you have to FIND the button, which is kinda the subject of many of the discussions here in this very thread.

You go learn what ls does one time, and now you know how to list the contents of a directory. Spend two minutes each learning ps aux and grep, and now you know how to find process info for firefox (or whatever), plus you don't need to know more than the very most basic things about grep to use it to search a text or conf file for a particular string. Or learn the ffmpeg command that you use most often for recursively processing a directory full of video files, and now you don't spend 20 minutes mucking around with handbrake or whatever when prepping files to toss onto your Kodi box (I'm just pulling that one out of my butt). Hell, yt-dlp for downloading videos from just about anywhere is better than any gui tool I ever used.

I think it's totally valid for people to prefer a gui, but I find it a little foolish that so many people just seem to intentionally shut off their brain when presented with a CLI - it's different than clicking buttons, and it's not always superior, but it should absolutely not be the bogeyman that many treat it as. You can probably learn less than ten commands to just a minimal level of proficiency and get a LOT done.

Side note:

Anyone else get a kick out of that one Lemmy maga who seems to go around downvoting everyone who makes comments like these, but with no argument or discussion? It's like a little badge of honor to me every time I receive or see that one singular downvote on a comment roasting magas or conservatives.

Why is this argument so common?

Because for decades every sincere attempt to suggest Linux as the solution to some problem was 80% of the time met with "but muh games", so now people make the assumption that it will be the likely objection when it comes up.

You seem to have a corner case that requires you to use Windows even if you did prefer not to, and that's totally valid.

I'm 17 years in running Linux on everything at home while being paid to support and deploy Windows at work, and my trajectory has been that each and every one of those 17 years MS has given me reason to be really happy I left them behind. Lots of other folks have similar stories, and it's only natural that they want to share that enthusiasm with folks who are pearl-clutching about however MS has shit on their users this month.

Personally I think there are more users who could go my way than who are likely to have a corner case such as yours. (I barely even consider HW compatibility anymore for common devices except of course avoiding a very short list of wifi vendors.) But I also recognize that is my perception and anecdote and I couldn't support that assertion with any particular data.

More basically, an OS is not a food that you might like or dislike, it is a tool that you use when it is suited to the task. Discriminating against tools doesn’t make sense, it only limits your capabilities.

Only if you want capabilities that you can only achieve with the tool you dislike. I've had plenty of shitty screwdrivers, and it was totally reasonable not to like them. And I'm not going to deal with all the safety risks of a table saw when I really only need a hacksaw.

That's all great for you to be platform agnostic. There's literally zero things I want to do that I can't do with Linux, and as someone who does get paid to use, deploy, and support Windows, the only things I find easier with Windows are goals that exist only because MS created them (such as AD integration).

Nah, you do you, but I'm quite comfortable discriminating against Windows, and with defending the fact that I do so. I'll continue using it only when paid for that purpose, and will absolutely not voluntarily put myself in a position where I need to rely on the mess that is windows or the surveillance company that is Microsoft for anything that is important to me personally.

I am past the point of having “a” computer with “an” operating system… the concept of “moving” to another OS is basically irrelevant…

And man the entire tone of your post is early 2000's "I don't even own a TV" level.

I know, I still have to touch Windows at work.

Windows: Only when paid to touch it.

Maybe instead of that they can start encouraging people to use the command line

LOL, there's no more common phobia among Windows users than the CLI. EVERY Linux discussion "BUT ZOMG CLI COMMANDS!" (when realistically a novice user can avoid them most of the time, and they absolutely are more efficient for helping someone via lemmy post or similar than figuring out what version of what DE they have and trying to tell them the 12 clicks they need to do for the same task)