See your other comment:
You walk into a shop with a megaphone and start taunting people through it, you deserve what you get, regardless of why you were doing it.
In my opinion you lost the right of not being talked to in a dickish way when you wrote this. If according to you physically assaulting people who try to make the world better is justified, I'm not gonna answer politely and wait the slap on the other cheek.
So I prove your point by expressing my disagreement and providing arguments? Effective tactics, I can't argue with that.
If I made you feel better about yourself and more sure that you're right I missed my target but you're welcome anyway.
Have a nice one.
It's always great when people who aren't trying to change things explain to us (vegans, environmentalists, feminists etc.) that we do not protest the right way โข and that we don't have the correct targets/methods.
Usually this is a byproduct of people not wanting to be bothered changing anything and pointing the finger towards other actors:
While I agree that only going after end-of-chain customers is unlikely to create at-scale change in the ~~meat~~ rape, torture and murder industry, it still has some effects.
Also these actions are a good way to build a community sentiment for the people included and incrementally go after other types of action.
For example, in the Extinction Rebellion movement, lots of activists started with legal protests, then illegal protests and road blocking and eventually a few of them built up to direct action against carbon-emitting industrial sites.
You also have to understand that the risk level is not the same when you go after customers and when you go after the industries.
Retail workers aren't paid enough to deal with some self important asshole who thinks that screaming at people through a megaphone is their right.
They aren't paid enough, period. I only hope that the activists only went after the customers and not the workers (which seems to be the case here, otherwise the article would probably have mentionned it).
Protest the horrible meat industry by making their lives hell, don't go after the consumer go after the source ffs, but that would mean actually putting in effort to your cause, which these megaphone blasting people don't want to do.
See higher. Also, as a general principle, fuck your opinion of what it means to put effort in a cause. Being in a place where most people dislike/hate your cause in a world where other activists have been assaulted and injured by assholes is already a fucking effort.
These people are why us non vegans have an issue with vegans, most of you are chill people enjoying your life, but these pricks make you lot look insane and then you defend them because you agree with their message, but while you defend their message, you also defend their actions!
Nah, be honest at some point.
We vegans are not chill people enjoying out lives, we are decent people trying to function in a dystopian world where the industrial mass murder of hundreds of billions of sentient beings every year is considered normal in the name of culture and/or pleasure.
The root of non-vegan opposition is the same as the root of big-car-lovers and masculinists opposition: acknowledging the truth would be too hard because it would mean acknowledging how much suffering you have caused. And it's not entirely your fault, we've all been raised the same way, made to consider this was normal.
So any movement asking you to reconsider puts your brain in a very uncomfortable position, to which you react with rejection. And because no one wants to look like an asshole, you pick the group you deem most extreme and play the "I have no issue with vegans, but these vegans are a bit much and do a disservice to the cause" card - which is universally used to oppose societal progress whatever the topic.
Start holding these people accountable for making the rest of you look bad, I know most of you vegans are good people, you don't deserve to be made to look like idiots.
Once again, thanks a lot for sharing your wisdom about a movement you are not part of. We all were really waiting for your input to decide how to treat our allies.
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I hace no idea how serious a blow this is. Can anyone provide any sense of magnitude for these 264 000 tons of munitions? Like how big a chunk of total ammunition stockpile woukd this be? How big is it compared to current manufacturing rate?
Black Mesaer?
I knew I couldn't be the only one thinking of another HL3 when I saw the image :)
This. I can't afford reliable always-on storage now, but I plan to build for SSDs rather than HDDs because I don't have a separate room to put it into.
For most consumers it might not, the amount of nvidia ~~propaganda~~ advertisement in games is huge.
True, they don't need men for good sex. If they're after shitty sex and rape, they do need men.
/partially joking, but also partially serious
Women aren't a minority, they are half the population. But according to many, they are a minority. This is wrong.
I believe our disagreement partly stems from semantics. English is not my native language, and I have used the term minority as a shortcut for oppressed category.
If only minorities were authoritarian and block communication channels, then nobody would notice it. It would be a rounding error.
Idk how it is elsewhere, but in France, when trans people or black people (which are oppressed categories and numerical minorities) claim they want to have safe spaces that exclude cis or white people, it's definitely noticed. Almost everytime the majority (oppressive category and numerical majority) go on crying that they are excluded and should not be and try to pry these spaces open.
Okay now.. if I were to be a marxist leninist (minority in the western countries) so I create a safe space.
Okay but we have dozens of political ideologies. They all are pretty much a minority then. Definitely because they vary across countries.
Giving each ideology a safe space because they are "a minority" neutralises eachother. They all are.
In reality, just like the way a government gets formed. People need to communicate and compromise.
I know of no minority that exists only in safe spaces. We always have to meet other people, be it family, work, doctors, public events....
About your exemple, being a marxist leninist and having no space where you can meet other marxists leninists to debate theories or future actions and being constantly in interaction with right wingers sounds tiring.
Blocking communication stops growth, and hence I do not like this culture of bubbles/echo chambers on Lemmy.
Got no clue how to alter that, or if there's social media that doesn't create echo chambers by blocking those that do not fit in there.
Lemmy being what it is, you're more than welcome to create a community of like-minded people (people who want to communicate with everyone, not marxists leninists ofc) and advertise it on general channels to make it grow the way you think is best :)
I'm a minority (autism), I don't need a safe space.
Thank you for sharing your personnal experience. I am glad that your personnality and life experience don't make you feel the need for a safe space, that's uplifting.
This being said, other people from minorities seem to have a different viewpoint and consider safe spaces are important/necessary. The fact that some individuals don't need one doesn't negate the need (and right) of others individual to create these safe spaces.
I need people to stop being authoritarian and communicate with eachother.
That's great, but it's also within peoples' rights to choose who they want to communicate with and to filter that by interest, values or other factors.
I find it important that depending on my energy levels and my mental health I can choose who I engage with.
If only minorities were authoritarian, then there would be no issue. Since they'd be just a minority. It wouldn't be noticed.I.
t's clearly the majority that deal the blow. Logical, right?
I'm not sure I understand what you mean there, could you explain a bit more?
Thank you for your service, these intelligent emotion-capable animals ain't gonna murder themselves, we need more people like you! ๐