WanderingVentra

Wow that is an extremely biased and cope filled article. It completely ignores why Hamas was created and got into power, the conditions that would lead to the creation of a resistance against Israel, Israel's own public statements on genocide referenced by the ICJ, all of the civilian casualties, their own murders and hostages from before October 7th, their own blocking of aid (they call putting "Palestinians on a diet"), and the fact that they demanded a soldier presence in Gaza in the latest rounds of negotiations basically negating any hope that they'll do what the author says they should at the end. We don't have to guess what their goals are, they've said it.

Not really. The goal of the war is genocide. If anything, they're making a ton of new Hamas members from all the orphans, widows, and widowers.

It's happening!

Haha sorry I'll save your link to read later

Weird how they seemed way less scared to touch one side of the issue than the other. They should be more scared to touch the other side. The protests should be louder, more numerous, and more in their face.

Os just Twitter drama? People need to get off that site. It's just racist Nazis on one side, and the left eating itself on the other.

How? They've divided the land and are ensuring it stays that way by continuing to take land. And if one had the support of the US empire it would keep abusing Palestine even after statehood, like the US does to the global south today. It would be better as one big secular state, especially since you're going to have to change a bunch of things to make a two state solution work anyway.

A two state solution is better than what they have now and if they can get it, it's progress, but ideally one state all the way, which requires dismantling Israel. Which happens all the time btw. South Africa completely changed its government. Israel as a country isn't even that old. Neither is Russia or everything in the USSR, which I saw change. Or Yugoslavia, which was a country during my lifetime, too. The cat can totally go back in the bag, the structures of nation states isn't set in some holy stone.

The Uyghurs are being genocided in China. The Rohingya are being genocided in Burma. There are people being genocided in South Sudan, Ethiopia, and Syria. This list is surely incomplete. By absolutely no means am I minimizing the plight of Palestinians in Gaza, and I fervently condemn all such actions.

The Israel Palestine one is the one that we can actually help as Americans. And we are very actively involved with it.

That said, geopolitics is a filthy, nasty, amoral business, and humans are selfish and vicious. The Democrats are playing the game as best they can. Israel has one of the most powerful militaries on the planet, and they can destroy Gaza all on their own. They are the only nation on Earth who refuse to admit they are a nuclear power. The USA is playing two sides in the conflict; publicly they vow to support their ally Israel. They promise weapons and aid. Behind the scenes they are delaying the regular aid, and the additional aid is scheduled years out. The USA is also divided roughly 50/50 on how to react to this conflict and is forced to play a similar game with the American public, because there are factions here calling for Civil War 2, and wouldn't that complicate things?

The US isn't delaying shit. They delayed one little shipment once, but have also just approved more money and weapons for Israel like a week ago. It's always ongoing. The US is divided, but the Democrats are polling against the way Israel is conducting the war.

You want immediate solutions, just like we all do. The only solution is convincing Israel to disengage, which is certainly being communicated behind the scenes. International sanctions would help, but international public support must get behind that. Should we move a couple carrier groups just offshore to threaten Israel? Sounds like an option, but what would that do to the balance of powers in the Middle East? What would Iran do? How will China react to such provocations? Will they take the opportunity to distract from their domestic issues by invading Taiwan, the global high tech manufacturing powerhouse? How will it affect the war in Ukraine and Russia? Iran is already helping Russia and brutalizing their own people for advocating freedom.

International support is already there. Literally the whole world is against Israel except some Western ones. The only reason they still exist is US support who regularly vetoes UN sanctions against them, defends them from fights that they start, lies for them, etc. It needs to be torn down and rebuilt asome whole secular state. We've done it to South Africa so this isn't as impossible as you seem to think it is. There are very smart people in universities across the world who think of this stuff. And not giving money to Israel would help us have money for all those other conflicts you're mentioning. We don't have to park a ship there btw. We just have to stop giving them weapons. That would end our culpability in the region right there. Stop over complicating a genocide to absolve your country's complicity. These factors are in every international conflict, but that doesn't mean we're giving money to Russia to kill Ukraine because it would be easier.

But remember that people are engaging in global diplomatic strategy because they too are horrified. Remember that the stakes are calamitous. This is not the democrat's fault. We are 8 billion barely-not-chimps who have seized the keys to the Universe somewhat earlier than we have figured out there are no gods coming to save us from ourselves. Sh!t just is.

Ya, the democrats didn't just trip into helping a settler colonial ethnostate commit a genocide. This has been happening for 70 years. They're not helping because of careful ethical considerations. There helping because American empire demands it. It fuels our military industrial complex and disrupts the Middle East, which helps us harness that chaos in the region for oil and power reasons. It's why Biden said if Israel didn't exist they'd have to invent one. The problem exists because America isn't interested in fixing it. We're the bad guys here. And once people understand that, they can demand better instead of shrugging. We don't even need Israel as an ally. We have allied with various countries in there over the decades, like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, and Jordan. Palestine could be that ally, too.

Nobody wants a quick easy solution. They want some effort. They didn't bring it up once during the DNC. The family of Israeli hostages did better about acknowledging Gaza Palestinians than our mainstream politicians and future Presidential administration. The hypocrisy is incredibly resounding.

And if you want to see just how bad it can get, there's always letting Trump turn everything to hell again. It's mind-boggling how much of our current situation is directly his stupid fücking fault. That's all a protest vote will get us; more of the worst. Yes, the GOP is horrifyingly worse than the Democrats. You care deeply and that is a wondrous, beautiful thing. We need you. Stop deluding yourself that both sides are the same. Get out and fücking vote.

Trump is worse is no excuse to continue a genocide. We can do better than that. Other countries have, and we are supposed to be the leader of the free world, but we are woefully behind Mexico, Colombia, South Africa, Ireland, China, and so many other countries on this issue. It's not impossible if they can do it. It just needs some courage to fight AIPAC, and inviting leftists into the big tent instead of constantly kicking them out and silencing them.

Except instead of the roof leaking, it's a genocide...

Then why would Russia attack Ukraine? Especially since they had already agreed to let go of their nukes and not join NATO. Just let them be then.

That looks so good 🤤

Then why attack? Just to force Russia to retreat from their other offensive lines? I figured it was to take some territory and then trade it in negotiations to keep Crimea or something.