BlitzoTheOisSilent

True, no animal consents to being eaten, and I understand veganism is meant to eliminate or mitigate unnecessary animal products from one's diet, but I don't think "no animal consents to being eaten" works here. That's nature (and yes, I'm ignoring that humans are part of nature, despite our best efforts to think we aren't), you can't change nature. You're not going to get a lion or a shark to stop being a carnivorous predator because that's just what they are.

I also don't necessarily agree with your knife argument: a serial killer does not need to kill to survive, whereas living things need to eat to survive. I don't think the consent argument is as ridiculous as that, I would more equate it to an infirm cancer patient being given chemotherapy drugs versus homeopathy treatment. They can't consent to either, but one is clearly meant to try to fix the issue, whereas the other is a personal choice.

Veganism is a personal choice, cats needing meat in their diet is not. I have nothing against veganism, and I appreciate your arguments (I hadn't considered the "not consenting to be eaten" aspect). Idk, to me, people who force their diets/lifestyles onto their pets that aren't equipped for it, it's just... Immoral? I'm blanking on the word, it's been a long week.

What I don't understand about all of this is the consent aspect: your cat/dog/pet did not consent to a vegan diet, so why are you forcing it on them? Obviously you can't ask your pet what they want for dinner, but left to their own devices, I doubt any of them would choose a vegan diet, so... Why force it on them?

Even ignoring all of the science and everything, morally/ethically, it just feels messed up to me. It'd be like forcing your child to eat food they're allergic to because it's healthier/more ethical, despite it causing health issues for them.

Absolutely wild

I'm gonna throw "forecastle" out there. It's referring to a specific part/area of a ship, but it's pronounced similar to "folks-sole."

And the fact the Soviets practiced a scorched-earth policy as they retreated back to Leningrad, burning their crops fields and such. It prevented the Nazis from eating it, but didn't leave the Soviets much either.

Just horrific all around. Weren't there stories about residents resorting to eating dirt after all the rats had either been killed or fled the city, but before cannibalism?

White moderate*

I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice.”

• MLK Jr "Letter from Birmingham Jail"

When I was a carrier, I had a business road on my route, all the mailboxes were at the curb for every business. On two or three separate occasions, I'd get to the last box and it looked rougher than it did the previous day. Business owner came out and told me the box had been broken into again, along with several others on the road, and wanted to know what we could/would do about it.

I called my postmaster and explained and asked if USPIS would be getting involved (as the business owner also asked). I was told no, they don't get involved in those sorts of things, the owner would just have to file a report with the police, and we'd stop delivering on Saturdays since none of the businesses would be open.

I never got a further explanation than that, so I couldn't say why USPIS doesn't get involved, but they don't seem to anymore. 🤷‍♀️

So they can come out and, best case scenario, they tell you there's nothing they can do? Or show up and wait on standby for the criminal to finish what they're doing a la Uvalde?

Or would you prefer the come out to a potential burglary call and end up shooting the woman who called the police in the head?

Good thing we have so many of them to keep us safe during all these crimes. 🙄

They have churros on my local subway menu, as well as a pizza, and a footlong pretzel stick.

We're in New England...

Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

~~Richard Cranium~~

Edit: someone beat me to it 😆

So then explain to me why it was ok for God to order his followers to destroy the Tower of Babel and slaughter those building it? I believe God's logic was, "If they complete this tower, it'll show the world they don't need me, and we can't have that."

How exactly was that ethical? Or should we discuss being allowed to beat your slave, so long as they don't die within three days, you haven't commited murder because they are your property? Is that the ethics and morality you're speaking of?

Or maybe it's the "an eye for an eye" part, where revenge is completely justified? I believe it took a Hindu nationalist to add "makes the world blind" to actually make that statement ethical.

Or maybe you're trying to discuss one of the many, many instances of rape that occurs in the bible, but it's completely justified and ethical because God said so?

Personally, if you base your morals and ethics off of the Bible, you're a piece of shit who justifies their immoral behavior using an outdated text as some kind of shield because you think, so long as you repent riiiiiiiiight before you eat the big one, you're good. 🙄

Right? He kinda looks like Gru, with hair 😆