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Hersh, Eitan; Royden, Laura (25 June 2022). "Antisemitic Attitudes Across the Ideological Spectrum" Political Research Quarterly.

doi:10.1177/10659129221111081

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[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Remember kids, it’s not hypocrisy to be intolerant of the intolerant. They have broken the social compact and are therefore no longer protected by it.

[–] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This is playing down the actual behavior of fascists in a very careless way.

  • They do not just kick out minorities, once in power they systematically hunt down and murder them!

  • They do not just jail dissenters, once in power they systematically hunt down and murder them!

  • They do not just "say no" to Jews, once in power they systematically hunt down and murder them!

[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 0 points 3 months ago

Not quite.

Some fascsist do this, absolutely. Others, to appear moderate, kick out minorities and "just" jail dissenters. Will they eventually start murdering people? Absolutely.

But nearly no fascist nowadays advocates for murder. They must first radicalize the people once in control via salami slicing tactics. If you look for fascists, do not look for people advocating for murder - they will be noticeable enough anyways. Look for those who can be described with the picture in this post.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Not to be defending Fascists, but those you describe are the Nazi style ones.

Portugal, Italy, Spain and Greece too had Fascist dictatorships and those pretty much did not care about Jews or minorities and whilst they were all autoritarian and happy to use state violence for oppression and suppression of dissidents, the only ones who did anything close to systematical murder were the ones in Spain in their early days and their targets were mainly those they deemed "Communists".

By comparison Zionists are more murderous than all of those 4, though not as much as the Nazis, and consider and treat a whole different ethnic group as "human animals" than the Nazis did.

In fact the use of specific ethnicities for Fascism in that table is a pretty good indication that the author(s) are deeply racist with a very specific slant on who their "good" ethnicities and "bad" ethnicities are: even without going into the whole Israel thing, just look at Modi in India to see Fascism in action whithout the perpetrators being White or the victims Jews.

[–] hikaru755@feddit.de 0 points 3 months ago

is a pretty good indication that the author(s) are deeply racist

Or, maybe, they're just using the most well-known instance of fascism in history as a concrete example, in order to not overcomplicate the message. Jumping to accusations of racism at the slightest suspicion is not gonna help anyone.

[–] Redredme@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Im just a tad disappointed that according to this graphic fascism (which isnt exactly the same as nazism but whatever) is strictly a white issue.

Which, if you look at the world, clearly isn't the case. Fascism is everywhere.

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

I just want to point out that not all fascists are Nazis. Can I point that out without getting crucified?

I will clarify that if you're any kind of fascist, you're a trash person, doubly so for Nazis specifically... But not all fascists are Nazis. Which the OP chart seems to imply.

To drive my point home, I'll quote Wikipedia: fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Nowhere in there does it say that fascists are anti-Semites, nor white supremacist. Those ideologies are generally attributed to specific fascist ideologies... Eg. Nazis.

Let's not sugar coat what people are. If they're Nazi fucks, let's call them Nazi fucks.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] toaster@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 months ago

Remember not to feed the trolls, people.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Never bought paint before, eh?

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Black is the absence of light and therefore not a colour.

But it is a shade.

[–] Bumblefumble@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yes but it is one of the lesser colours like orange.

[–] Bumblefumble@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well you contradict yourself, since there's no such thing as purple light, it must be as much a colour as black is. Have you considered your third-grade gotcha might not be quite nuanced enough for the real world? Or that the science of colours might be a little more complex than you first thought?

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 0 points 3 months ago

That’s because it’s ultra purple when it’s light

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lol I guess we have a hierarchy of colors now

[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Uh, yes? 'Blue and green reign supreme' as the saying that I just made up goes

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Pigments dude...

Black is every single color at once in pigment.

White is every single color at once in light.

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[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

according to some yes, but according to normal people though, antifa is just people who don't want nazis around them, which should be everyone?

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Memes that come with citations? Now that’s how you shitpost.

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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I've usually heard horseshoe theory referring to tankies/authoritarian communists, not anti fascists.

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

My dad swears up and down that antifa are the real nazis. I think this would be a response to that type of thing.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ask him if he opposes the antifa fascists. When he says yes, call him antifa

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 0 points 3 months ago

My favorite thing in the world is calling him antifa :)

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Guess where the antifaschistische aktion has it roots...

[–] Enkrod@feddit.de 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

In 1919, Benito Mussolini united various groups in the then Kingdom of Italy to form the Fasci di combattimento. During the Biennio rosso (1919-1921), the Black Shirts used targeted terror against striking industrial workers, the Partito Socialista Italiano (PSI) and all opposition. As a result, local and regional anti-fascist groups as well as vigilante groups emerged from 1920 onwards, encompassing the entire political spectrum, from Catholics and liberals to socialists and anarchists.

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In 1921, Mussolini transformed his militia movement into the National Fascist Party. The first armed anti-fascist organization came into being in 1921 with the Arditi del Popolo. It was open to anarchists, communists, social democrats, Christians and bourgeois republicans. However, the leadership of the PSI and the Partito Comunista Italiano (PCI) rejected the League. It remained limited to a few thousand members and a few cities.[3] This was the first organization with an explicitly anti-fascist self-image. Its supporters referred to themselves as antifascisti[4].

Emphasis by me

Arditi del Popolo

It grouped revolutionary trade-unionists, socialists, communists, anarchists, republicans, anti-capitalists, as well as some former military officers

Composed of Italian anarchists, socialists, and communists, the Arditi del Popolo were not supported by leftist parties (neither by the Italian Socialist Party, PSI, nor by the Communist Party of Italy, PCd'I).

Furthermore, the PCd'I ordered its members to quit the organization because of the presence of non-communists in its ranks.[8] The PCd'I organized by themselves some militant groups (the Squadre comuniste d'azione), but their actions were relatively minor and the party kept a non-violent, legalist strategy.

The Antifaschistische Aktion grew in the soil of the SPD and KPD in Nazi Germany (which themselves where not autoritarians or tankies at the time), but it's roots are older, decidedly anti-authoritarian and open to the entire political spectrum that wanted to fight fascism.

Edit: Antifascism is represented by a red and a black flag. How you could ever think is has anything to do with the authoritarian left when it's roots are so extremely anarchist is beyond me.

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