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[–] OrloNorppa@sopuli.xyz 133 points 1 month ago (3 children)

"If you don't like it you can leave" is such a shit argument that I keep hearing, the whole point of democracy is that if you don't like it you are allowed to complain and vote to change the situation. Implying someone doesn't have the right to complain or change an existing system is just how fascism works...

[–] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Exactly. I tell folks all the time one of the most patriotic things you can do is protest for change.

[–] Sibshops@lemm.ee 69 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Now they are deporting people legally in the US who didn't break any laws.

It's not even about deporting illegal immigrants anymore.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It never was. It's always been about oppression.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

With Fascists it's always the same playbook: start with an easily demoniseable minority and over time extend it to the rest.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

I wish I could remember the book I read that deconstructed fascism. One of the key components of fascism is an ever concentric cone of who is in the in group vs the out group.

The goal is not fascism but cronyism. That's why fascist governments never last longer than a few decades.

When wealth and power are concentrated in a small group of people, they become easy targets to a growing angry population. People begin to realize they have nothing left to lose and will begin revolting.

Here in the US, we haven't quite reached that point yet but I suspect we'll get there within 20 years.

[–] rarWars@lemmy.blahaj.zone 50 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

- Frank Wilhoit

[–] rockettaco37@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

This is the right wing. You can't expect to have a logical argument with them.

[–] Gelcube69@reddthat.com 32 points 1 month ago

So many “yeah but... “ comments on all these posts about someone arrested without a warrant and deported with no legal pretense at all. Pathetic boot licking behavor. Pick a side or get out of our way.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 21 points 1 month ago

Imagine thinking not abridging free speech means that you can’t go after press/people that are knowingly lying.

Like, no, this is not what free speech means. Scientific fact are no opinions. You can only have the opinion that a scientific fact was not an scientific fact at all, but as soon as it is scientifically proofed that this is not the case, it is no opinion anymore, but just a wrong statement.

[–] NovaOG@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They want people to "follow the rules", but see the "rules" change every day, depending on what mood the rulers are in. It also depends on the color of your skin to them, if its not white, you're always breaking the "rules" no matter what.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 month ago

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

[–] LonstedBrowryBased@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

“We the people. . .” yah sure magat

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago

People: definition in america: Anyone who has south or mid english ancestrys and holds land + has an income of high income

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well, obviously the "we" means it only applies to us, not to them.

/s for avoidance of doubt.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago

Freedom is always the freedom of the obedient.

Purple Belgium

[–] Krackalot@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've learned in hearing conservatives talk about the ammendments, that they can only count to two. So long as they start at two.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

They never agree with you when you cite the 8th

[–] LucidLyes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Freedom of speech for me but not for thee is exactly how dictatorships work. These people will claim America is the greatest nation on earth while completely omitting that it attained that status by defeating people like them.

[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

for many "Free Speech " is when YOU are free to express MY point of view.

not yours.

[–] Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago
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